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    Isn't this necessarily the first and most important question in the healthcare debate?

    If the answer is "Yes" - then we merely need to decide how best to ensure for it.

    If the answer is "No" - then we need to settle very narrow matters about how to care for the indigent and emergent care, if even at all, and quit all of these overarching measures.

    If it it is a right, what makes it so? What kind of right is it? Civil right?

    I honestly don't know if we do, or do not have a right to healthcare. I'm open to either side.

    But before we agree to move onto the "how", perhaps the question of "why" takes precedence, and deserves some consideration.

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    Do you think people have a right to life?

    I think that's generally a good place to start, when choosing which direction to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dooz View Post
    Do you think people have a right to life?

    I think that's generally a good place to start, when choosing which direction to go.
    That's kind of like using starvation to justify a right to caviar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kptvol View Post
    That's kind of like using starvation to justify a right to caviar.
    Caviar is a luxery. What in medicine is caviar.
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    Of course there isn't a right to healthcare. That being said, our government has operated as if it was for so long that you can't morally go from one to the other in one bill signing. Slowly phase out the gov'ts intrusion into the healthcare market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NorrisAlan View Post
    Caviar is a luxery. What in medicine is caviar.
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    Don't have a right to someone else's time/expertise/product. In my opinion. Except in the case of legal representation, which is specifically enumerated, and is about protecting citizens from government.

    If healthcare is a right, based on this "right to life" idea, what about food and water? I haven't been to the doctor in 15 years. I wouldn't make it 15 days without food & water.
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    No.
    Fire them all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NorrisAlan View Post
    Caviar is a luxery. What in medicine is caviar.
    If the definition of luxury is something more than what is needed to preserve life, most of it. Which, I would think would be relevant if the argument is that people have a right to life and thus products and services that preserve life.

    Also, he didn't say medicine, he said healthcare.
    Last edited by kptvol; 03-14-2017 at 09:31 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dooz View Post
    Do you think people have a right to life?

    I think that's generally a good place to start, when choosing which direction to go.
    So what is your answer? Do people have a right to Healthcare? Simple yes or no.

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    i sure as **** shouldn't have to pay for YOUR ****ing healthcare, so I say the answer is no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyQuickkick View Post
    Don't have a right to someone else's time/expertise/product. In my opinion. Except in the case of legal representation, which is specifically enumerated, and is about protecting citizens from government.

    If healthcare is a right, based on this "right to life" idea, what about food and water? I haven't been to the doctor in 15 years. I wouldn't make it 15 days without food & water.
    Absolutely. Implied right to someone else's talent / stuff is absolutely idiotic. Right to someone else research in creating medicine is equally so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kptvol View Post
    If the definition of luxury is something more than what is needed to preserve life, most of it. Which, I would think would be relevant if the argument is that people have a right to life and thus products and services that preserve life.

    Also, he didn't say medicine, he said healthcare.
    right to access, not to the funding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigpapavol View Post
    right to access, not to the funding.
    Even access seems tricky. We going to force a bunch of doctors to relocate to Montana so they have the same access as a New Yorker?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kptvol View Post
    Even access seems tricky. We going to force a bunch of doctors to relocate to Montana so they have the same access as a New Yorker?
    Not at all. Access doesn't mean easy or affordable.

    The part that gets lost in this "right", for those who espouse it, is the implied affordable. Funny that those who fight hardest for more govt and free crap won't hammer the insurance companies right now while they can. Monopoly power has absolutely destroyed healthcare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zehr27 View Post
    So what is your answer? Do people have a right to Healthcare? Simple yes or no.
    There isn't a simple answer. I can understand where those that say no are coming from, and where those that say yes are coming. Fortunately for me, I don't get paid to come up with a solution, because there isn't one that will make everybody happy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dooz View Post
    There isn't a simple answer. I can understand where those that say no are coming from, and where those that say yes are coming. Fortunately for me, I don't get paid to come up with a solution, because there isn't one that will make everybody happy.
    There absolutely is a simple answer. There really isn't any gray here. I understand why this can be a very emotional topic or elicit strong responses, but it's not complicated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RockyHillVol View Post
    There absolutely is a simple answer. There really isn't any gray here. I understand why this can be a very emotional topic or elicit strong responses, but it's not complicated.
    No, it's definitely not simple. If it was, there wouldn't be pages and pages of debate on it here or anywhere or anywhere else.
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    I believe everyone should have access to legal and affordable euthanasia. If we're ultimately talking about access to life and death services where quality of life is largely irrelevant, then legal euthanasia should be an available avenue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyQuickkick View Post
    Don't have a right to someone else's time/expertise/product. In my opinion. Except in the case of legal representation, which is specifically enumerated, and is about protecting citizens from government.
    A "right," in my understanding, is about sovereignty. You have sovereignty over your ability to speak, or assemble; to your personal space and property; to your personal liberty; to your ability to freely participate in choosing governmental representatives. You also have a right to a fair, specific process if any infringement on that sovereignty is going to take place. The idea is that this sovereignty is inherent in human existence, and where it does not exist it is because someone, usually a government, has violated it, usually through force. That is why our government, from its creation, is restricted from doing just that.

    Nowhere in my understanding does "right" include requiring services (or goods) from another. It does not require that people pay taxes to provide these services, that individuals or organizations provide services, that anyone, anywhere, can show up and demand them, or that government is violating the inherent sovereignty in human existence by not providing them. Laws (created by freely chosen representatives,) can require these things, and they may even be the fair and best things to do, but that does not make them "rights." They are privileges or benefits or social services or something else, but they aren't rights, and this would include "affordable health insurance."

    So there's mylong-winded way to agree with JQK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dooz View Post
    No, it's definitely not simple. If it was, there wouldn't be pages and pages of debate on it here or anywhere or anywhere else.
    I don't think it is complicated to determine whether healthcare* is a right. It isn't.

    The question is what government's role in providing healthcare should be. Deeming it a right is a strategic ploy used by those who believe government's role should be larger.



    *The larger political debate isn't about healthcare, anyway. It is about where the responsibility for payment for health related costs should fall. The debate is about insurance, not care.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kptvol View Post
    Even access seems tricky. We going to force a bunch of doctors to relocate to Montana so they have the same access as a New Yorker?
    Isn't this the same concept as school busing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zehr27 View Post
    So what is your answer? Do people have a right to Healthcare? Simple yes or no.
    Yes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dooz View Post
    No, it's definitely not simple. If it was, there wouldn't be pages and pages of debate on it here or anywhere or anywhere else.
    That can be explained by how emotional the issue can be, people misunderstanding how their rights work, people being idiots or some combination of all three. It certainly isn't due to the issue being nuanced or complex.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RockyHillVol View Post
    That can be explained how emotional the issue can be, people misunderstanding how their rights work, people being idiots or some combination of all three. It certainly isn't due to the issue being nuanced or complex.
    People that disagree with me are idiots. Nice argument, even if expected.
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