1 Seeds

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  1. yont sum iss?

    yont sum iss? Contributor

    On a neutral floor out West.
     
  2. yont sum iss?

    yont sum iss? Contributor

    I’m almost ok with a 2 though. *Places chip squarely on shoulder*
     
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  3. Indy

    Indy Pronoun Analyst

    CBS bracketology this morning has us as a 2... in the West.

    If we get shipped out West as a 2 with a 30-4 record, in the same region where the 1 seed is a team we [uck fay]ing beat...
     
  4. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    The credibility of this whole seeding process is on the line, for me personally.

    If we are a 2, then Cotton is right and tournaments don't really affect seeding.
     
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  5. Indy

    Indy Pronoun Analyst

    Also, I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. The “quadrant 1 and quadrant 2” wins and losses thing is a bull shit system created by con artists looking for an opportunity to push an agenda.

    It offers enough options that you can make an argument for the team you want, no matter what. Want to say Team A is better than Team B? Just point out quadrant 1 record! If quadrant 1 record doesn’t prove the point, go ahead and add in quadrant 2! A lot of times, that won’t prove it either, but by that point, the records will be close enough that you can claim “eye test” overcomes the gap.
     
  6. Indy

    Indy Pronoun Analyst

    Like, do people not realize that saying “quadrant 1 and 2” record defeats the entire purpose of a system created to separate wins and losses into separate categories?

    Look at a team’s quadrant 1 records. If necessary, look at their quadrant 2 records. There is no situation where it makes sense to look at their “quadrant 1 and 2” records because it essentially equates the 2.
     
  7. RockyHill

    RockyHill Loves Auburn more than Tennessee.

    Astute observation
     
  8. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    But there are teams with great Quad 1 records and bad Quad 2 records. Do you weigh the better than a team with a bad or small Quad 1 record and mediocre or good Quad 2 record?

    The issue is and always will be unbalanced scheduling. Therefore, not every comparison needs to follow the same exact formula, e.g. "just quad 1, then work back"
     
  9. JT5

    JT5 Super Moderator

    Quad 1 is too big. Significant difference between losing on the road to a top 10 team versus losing to the 70th ranked team, yet both are “quad 1” games.
     
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  10. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    Nominating sextiles? You dog.
     
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  11. InVolNerable

    InVolNerable Fark Master Flex

    No matter how anybody looks at it, we have a far better resume than Gonzaga. There’s no way to skew it in their favor.
     
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  12. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    Team A: 31-2

    SOS: 87
    Won conference season and tournament
    Q1: 6-2
    Q2: 10-0



    Team B: 30-3

    SOS: 81
    Won conference season, lost tournament
    Q1: 4-3
    Q2: 6-0




    One of these teams is projected as a 1 seed by most. The other as a 3 seed. Which do you think looks like the better team? I can add more metrics if requested.
     
  13. JT5

    JT5 Super Moderator

    Suppose I’d give edge to A for winning its tournament. But resumes are virtually identical.
     
  14. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    Yep. Team A Houston. Team B is Gonzaga. I am arguing that they are not much different, and the only reason Gonzaga is in a conversation for a 1 is because of their preseason ranking and profile.
     
  15. Indy

    Indy Pronoun Analyst

    Eye test, “bro.”
     
  16. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    The eye test is bullshit.
     
  17. Indy

    Indy Pronoun Analyst

    Gonzaga’s win over Duke is the only thing keeping them in the conversation.

    Who is Houston’s best win?

    Edit: it looks like LSU
     
  18. Dalekanium

    Dalekanium Chieftain


    I think it’s also because they beat Duke. It all comes back to some way to talk about Zion and Duke.
     
  19. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    Jay Bilas just said he's already decided that Gonzaga is better than Tennessee, and they already played. He asked if that made sense.

    IT DOES NOT.
     
  20. Dalekanium

    Dalekanium Chieftain

    Well, [uck fay] him.
     

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