How long does it take to recover?

Discussion in 'Vols Football' started by CardinalVol, Feb 26, 2021.

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How long does it take to become relevant?

  1. 3 years or less

    16.7%
  2. 4 to 6 years

    19.4%
  3. 7 to 10 years

    8.3%
  4. 11 or more years

    5.6%
  5. LOL, yeah right, we're the new Ole Miss

    50.0%
  1. Tar Volon

    Tar Volon Me Blog @RockyTopTalk.com

    I don’t disagree at all, just saying there are eight unimpressive teams on our schedule. But three of those are toss-ups at best, and beating all the teams you should beat and winning all the toss-ups is actually very hard.
     
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  2. Tar Volon

    Tar Volon Me Blog @RockyTopTalk.com

    I oscillate between “we were hurt significantly by shuffling around assistants” and “Pruitt had worn thin and guys were just done.” I dunno, probably a mix of several.
     
  3. Ssmiff

    Ssmiff Went to the White House...Again

    We played too many teams that only had to run 5 plays to get people open. Florida sent a man in motion to the strong side and picked on the weak side. Of course slants whenever anybody wanted. And we telegraphed blitzes, leaving good qbs time to see we are dropping a DE 20 yards back in coverage. We also weren't coached to disrupt the los and force the offense to react. Just a cluster all around. And a mentally drained team knowing JG was going to send the D back out soon, or put 7 on the board for the other team
     
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  4. HCKevinSteele

    HCKevinSteele Well-Known Member

    All of the above for sure. But I know I’ve seen you reference it from knowing someone with a son on the team that they’re just having fun again. And I think that’s the biggest thing. Pruitt to me is like the opposite of Gus Malzahn. Malzahn only coached briefly as an assistant and was validated early as a HC but never really knew how to run a program. Pruitt went from HS to Saban staff and that was almost all of his experience so to him it’s the only way, and he didn’t realize you can’t operate that way before proving yourself. The result was what appeared to be the least fun environment imaginable for players.

    Kind of incredible that he was (at least in my opinion) the ultimate player’s coach while simultaneously running a completely miserable program.
     
  5. Ssmiff

    Ssmiff Went to the White House...Again

    yes i've been told from a few fronts that the atmosphere has turned around completely. We will see if it shows on the field, but as everybody knows, we looked robotic the last few years, seldom playing with energy and enthusiasm. It's a game, and we lost that in translation somewhere. More than likely as you mention, the Saban style background, which works for Bama and Saban with NFL talent all over the field, but not with most college programs. Its as if players, outside of a couple, lost all instinct they learned over the years. Seems it was an all business, uptight atmosphere. I expect JH, and his background as a player knowing how to play loose, will be a factor, as he is well aware that overthinking means playing slower. Hopefully peer recruiting will pay off and we can impress some kids in the fall.
     
  6. justingroves

    justingroves supermod

    Pruitt tried to do everything, assistants said [uck fay] it and the team followed
     
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  7. lumberjack4

    lumberjack4 Chieftain

    Every year I hear how the attitude is different and better only to discover its really a toxic shit show. I really hope its different this time, but I can't get my hopes up before seeing the product on the field.
     
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  8. Tar Volon

    Tar Volon Me Blog @RockyTopTalk.com

    Honestly, if you look at how things got late in Fulmer’s tenure, or Urban Meyer’s at Florida, I begin to think that it’s very, very hard not to turn your environment into a toxic shit show
     
  9. Ssmiff

    Ssmiff Went to the White House...Again

    I dont ever recall players throwing the former HC under the bus as these players have, on social media and in the players only portion of visits, where 3-4 players sit with a recruit and his family to answer questions without the presence of any staff.
     
  10. justingroves

    justingroves supermod

    You've got to not be an asshole or change assistants constantly while winning consistently.

    Meyer had no control of his locker room and Fulmer quit around 2002.
     
  11. justingroves

    justingroves supermod

    The majority hated Butch and just flat out laughed about Dooley.
     
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  12. justingroves

    justingroves supermod

    Heupel is trying to create a fun environment. I think he'll have to get a few years' worth of his recruits for it to really set in.
     
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  13. PilotFlyingJ

    PilotFlyingJ Chieftain

    What have you heard?
     
  14. Ssmiff

    Ssmiff Went to the White House...Again

    Coaches are fun and real. Feels like coaches are approachable about anything.. Atmosphere a 180 degree turn. They had no fun under Pruitt and it always felt like a job where they dreaded going to work.
     
  15. Volokie

    Volokie Active Member

    We should all expect the worst, hope for the best, I guess.
     
  16. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    I'll just keep repeating this: the up-side of being past the JG years is real and will likely be measurable.
     
  17. lumberjack4

    lumberjack4 Chieftain

    I'll learn to hate again.
     
  18. Volokie

    Volokie Active Member

    I’ll go one further, I’ll say JG and his issues had as much to do with the programs woes as any coach any scheme. I’m looking forward hopefully to being pleasantly surprised by the QB play.
     
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  19. Tar Volon

    Tar Volon Me Blog @RockyTopTalk.com

    The issue is that he’s going to have to show some fun on the field to actually get recruits.
     
  20. Ssmiff

    Ssmiff Went to the White House...Again

    He definitely singlehandedly cost us games, missing wide open wrs for tds and first downs, but also then turning into turnovers. For example missing the wide open TE vs Florida, then turning it over a play or 2 later. 14 pt swing in 1 minute, and a deflated team. I dont think we as fans generally understand how much he mentally hurt our whole squad, game after game after game. And Pruitt allowed it to keep happening
     
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