In Defense of Butch Jones

Discussion in 'Vols Football' started by Tenacious D, Oct 6, 2014.

  1. justingroves

    justingroves supermod

    And it's comical to say Tennessee lost a game due to freshmen OL when the 3rd year center doesn't snap the ball on 3rd and 1.
     
  2. NYY

    NYY Super Moderator

    There is no "fix all offense."

    There is however a proven record of what they have installed isn't working. I know the OL sucks. I realize that and everyone else does. But when the playcalling continually gets you into 3rd and long, you have no choice. But as others have stated, the middle of the field was wide the hell open all day. In fact, a lady sitting in section M next to me asked if Florida had buried IEDs between the hashes. If she asked that question... then why isn't our mad scientist of an OC and the head coach whose system he is running not take a step back and say "let's do something else."

    The playcalling is of such that it not only negates what advantages we do have, but it exploits our weaknesses. Why? Because we want to outsmart the D. Brick by damn brick.
     
  3. Volst53

    Volst53 Super Moderator


    I think the passing game is what it is for the year, but we could be more creative in the run game. There's a lot of systems that give inferior linemen advantages through angles that help weaker less talented linemen.
     
  4. justingroves

    justingroves supermod

    2009's OL started two walkons that went about 260 lbs.
     
  5. ben4vols

    ben4vols Contributor

    He can't pick up a corner blitz to save his life. He has missed quite a few this year resulting in him taking it right in the back.
     
  6. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    Why is our center so bad at knowing when to snap?
     
  7. NYY

    NYY Super Moderator

    that same center goes plays at a time without touching anyone. Let that sink in. A center that doesn't touch anyone. Fall down and pick grass for the love of God.
     
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  8. Low Country Vol

    Low Country Vol Contributor

    When Auburn goes winless in the SEC play to playing in the National Championship the following season, that raises an unfair bar at the other traditional rich football schools. However, there reaches a boiling point how long it lasts (since 2005), and the Florida game was the final straw that we can not tolerate this much longer.
     
  9. justingroves

    justingroves supermod

    The same center Butch took to the SEC media days to represent Tennessee
     
  10. NYY

    NYY Super Moderator

    And he couldn't have picked a better representation.
     
  11. justingroves

    justingroves supermod

    Butch has recruited extremely well, but his 2 busts have been Dobbs at QB and Blair at LT. The two places that you really can't afford to have busts at
     
  12. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    What is Blair's deal?
     
  13. Tenacious D

    Tenacious D The law is of supreme importance, or no importance

    It's almost as if no offense, however well-planned or laden with skilled players, can be productive when the QB can't complete a 3-step drop without a defender - or multiple - bearing down on him.

    Weird.
     
  14. justingroves

    justingroves supermod

    I know how this story goes, and I'm already ready for it to end.

    Butch goes into 2015 needing wins, the defense has an NFL defensive line, a good but undersized LB corps and an excellent defensive backfield.

    The offense will go as far as Hurd carries them.

    6-6, Butch goes into 2016 and goes 7-5. UTAD decides he's good enough to warrant an extension, Tennessee goes 5-7 in 2017 and he's fired.
     
  15. Tenacious D

    Tenacious D The law is of supreme importance, or no importance

    Sincere question, and which you don't have to answer publicly, but only to yourself:

    How much time do you think that Worley had to make even his second read, on any given play?

    Is it possible that he "stared down his first receiver" because that's all he had time to look at, while running for his life or being blasted?
     
  16. Tenacious D

    Tenacious D The law is of supreme importance, or no importance

    Of those programs, and those new coaches, how many took over a team that was on it's 4th coach in 5 years, and followed a coach who did so poorly, as to make it arguable that he must have actively tried to sabotage and cripple the program, itself?

    How many have TRUE FRESHMEN on the entire right side of their o-line, and a walk-on at LT?

    How many also inherited an unremarkably below-average SEC QB, at absolute best, to operate behind that o-line?

    No, we don't seem as far along as some, but you can't fail to account for where we were, with what he took over, and how long it takes to overcome all of that.

    And he's not simply working to overcome that, but in the best conference, and against the stiffest possible competition - THAT JUST KEEPS GETTING BETTER, and from ALL DIRECTIONS (you guys act like everyone else is standing still, waiting on us...they aren't)?

    Things can't held in a vacuum, no matter how disappointed we are. It's just untrue.
     
  17. justingroves

    justingroves supermod

    Tennessee hasn't had a walk on at LT since game one.
     
  18. Tenacious D

    Tenacious D The law is of supreme importance, or no importance

    YES. YES. YES.

    If there is a short-cut to helping an o-line, it's a mobile / play-making QB. We have the antithesis of this, at the moment.

    It's actually the worst of all worlds - we have a stationary QB, who can't move, can't buy time, can't consistently throw it accurately, can't throw it over your head, who can't pull it down and run, and can't even plant his back foot without a defender bearing down on him.

    This guy better be lights out, or we better hope that Dobbs becomes lights-out with another year of seasoning. If not, things will be better next season, but not remarkably.
     
  19. Tenacious D

    Tenacious D The law is of supreme importance, or no importance

    Correct. They've moved a converted guard out there.

    Does that make it better?
     
  20. Tenacious D

    Tenacious D The law is of supreme importance, or no importance

    All of you guys, individually and collectively, make some really thin and largely stupid arguments.

    I've not even had to think very hard to beat back the points you've made, to be honest.

    Likely, because they've all involved some denial of an uncomfortable reality, or you're just throwing a tantrum, believing that will have any effect. Heads up: it won't.
     

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