Lawmakers Blast Administration For Calling Fort Hood Massacre 'Workplace Violence'

SOJ is channeling his inner gsvol

next he's going to tell us how he broke up a gunfight with nothing more than the sound of his voice

 

While I disagree with several aspects of snakeonia's post, it is still night and day different conceptually to what SOJ is saying.

 

IPO probably hashed this, but a terrorist attack is not one based in any religion. It is an attack designed to instill terror. The purpose of terrorism is to cause fear. If the attack had that in mind, it is terrorism. If the attack was religious view based, and not designed to cause fear, it was the work of a fanatic, not a terrorist.

 

considering in the Fort Hood incident, the shooter yelled "Allahu Akbar" then I would say that this attack was religious view based, just like 9/11. These "terrorists" or w/e you want to call them believe that if they die while attacking Christians/Jews then they will be rewarded in Heaven with 72 virgins.

 

i have no problem with people who disagree with me, just curious to which aspects you disagree with

 

5* post, imo........you covered all the bases.

Sorry I missed this one last night.

 

Yea, fanatics. I once knew a Southern Baptist or two that believed the more people you converted, the higher your "ranking" in heaven was, via crowns or jewels or something. Completely and utterly different, and not similar in any way, but just highlighting that fanaticism comes in many flavors. In the past, Christians felt redemption could be attained by participating in holy war.

Views have greatly changed with modernization, mostly because of religious freedom and shunning a lot of what was once considered "Christian" virtues. A transformation that has yet to occur in strictly Islamic nations.

Islam is much, much more militant than Christianity, and any number of various other religions, save maybe certain sects of Hinduism, but a small percentage of Muslims are actually taking part in such actions. These are fundamentalists, and they are fanatics. They adhere strictly to their book and that passed down by other fanatics. A lot of these fanatics take part in terrorist actions, that cannot be denied.

But just as there are not a great number of strictly adherent Christians, there aren't a great number of strictly adherent Muslims. The problem is the ones that are strictly adherent are often: in control of various groups, organizations and countries, very vocal, and very militant.

Whether the Fort Hood incident falls under this category, I do not know. But it can be assumed that he was fanatical and at least rather adherent, and possibly motivated by a desire to commit an act of terrorism. But that is not to say that all Muslims are driven equally anymore than it is to say that all Christians are equally strict in their interpretation and following of the Bible.

This may seem like a PC response, in that the we should all respect the culture of everyone else, but that is not the case. Militant fanaticism on all sides, of every religion, should be abhorred, but that is not to say that we should also lump everything bad about one particular belief into one giant, all encompassing definition of that belief.

 

Call me crazy, but since when does converting rank with killing?

 

I concede. You're the toughest man I ever met on the Internet.

 

There is nowhere in the Koran that encourages the killing of Christians for more rewards. That is not in the Koran, it is not part of Islam. It is a carry-over from cultural beliefs predating Islam that has been blended in. Like Christmas Trees or the Easter Bunny, but violent.

 

Right! Unless Christians and Jews are considered infidels. OH wait...........

KORAN commands to kill infidels:

Allah is an enemy to unbelievers. - Sura 2:98

On unbelievers is the curse of Allah. - Sura 2:161

Slay them wherever ye find them and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. - 2:191

Fight against them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme. (different translation: ) Fight them until there is no persecution and the religion is God's entirely. - Sura 2:193 and 8:39

Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it. - 2:216
(different translation: ) Prescribed for you is fighting, though it is hateful to you.

..... martyrs.... Enter heaven - Surah 3:140-43

If you should die or be killed in the cause of Allah, His mercy and forgiveness would surely be better than all they riches they amass. If you should die or be killed, before Him you shall all be gathered. - 3:157-8

You must not think that those who were slain in the cause of Allah are dead. They are alive, and well-provided for by their Lord. - Surah 3:169-71

Let those fight in the cause of God who sell the life of this world for the hereafter. To him who fights in the cause of God, whether he is slain or victorious, soon we shall give him a great reward. - Surah 4:74

Those who believe fight in the cause of God, and those who reject faith fight in the cause of evil. - 4:76

But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever you find them. - 4:89

Therefore, we stirred among them enmity and hatred, which shall endure till the Day of Resurrection, when Allah will declare to them all that they have done. - 5:14

O believers, take not Jews and Christians as friends; they are friends of each other. Those of you who make them his friends is one of them. God does not guide an unjust people. - 5:54

Make war on them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme - 8:39

O Prophet! Exhort the believers to fight. If there are 20 steadfast men among you, they shall vanquish 200; and if there are a hundred, they shall rout a thousand unbelievers, for they are devoid of understanding. - 8:65

It is not for any Prophet to have captives until he has made slaughter in the land. - 8:67

Allah will humble the unbelievers. Allah and His apostle are free from obligations to idol-worshipers. Proclaim a woeful punishment to the unbelievers. - 9:2-3

When the sacred months are over, slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. - 9:5

Believers! Know that idolators are unclean. - 9:28

Fight those who believe neither in God nor the Last Day, nor what has been forbidden by God and his messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, even if they are People of the Book, until they pay the tribute and have been humbled. - 9:29 (another source: ) The unbelievers are impure and their abode is hell. (another source: ) Humiliate the non-Muslims to such an extent that they surrender and pay tribute.

Whether unarmed or well-equipped, march on and fight for the cause of Allah, with your wealth and your persons. - 9:41

O Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites. Be harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey's end. - 9:73

Allah has purchased of their faithful lives and worldly goods, and in return has promised them the Garden. They will fight for His cause, kill and be killed. - 9:111

Fight unbelievers who are near to you. 9:123 (different translation:
Believers! Make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Let them find harshness in you. (another source: ) Ye who believe! Murder those of the disbelievers....

As for those who are slain in the cause of Allah, He will not allow their works to perish. He will vouchsafe them guidance and ennoble their state; He will admit them to the Paradise He has made known to them. - 10:4-15

Allah has cursed the unbelievers and proposed for them a blazing hell. - 33:60

Unbelievers are enemies of Allah and they will roast in hell. - 41:14

When you meet the unbelievers, smite their necks, then when you have made wide slaughter among them, tie fast the bonds, then set them free, either by grace or ransom, until the war lays down its burdens. - 47:4
(different translation: ) When you meet the unbelievers in the battlefield, strike off their heads, and when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly.

Those who are slain in the way of Allah - he will never let their deeds be lost. Soon will he guide them and improve their condition, and admit them to the Garden, which he has announced for them. - 47:5

Muslims are harsh against the unbelievers, merciful to one another. - 48:25

Muhammad is Allah's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another. Through them, Allah seeks to enrage the unbelievers. - 48:29

Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal sternly with them. Hell shall be their home, evil their fate. - 66:9

The unbelievers among the People of the Book and the pagans shall burn forever in the fire of hell. They are the vilest of all creatures. - 98:51

Fight them so that Allah may punish them at your hands, and put them to shame. (verse cited in Newsweek 2/11/02)

 

TheReligionofPeace - Islam: Verses of Violence

 

I can play the copy-and-paste out of context game with the Bible as well.

The part you are missing is where it calls Jews and Christians People of the Book and instructs one to live peacefully with them.

 

I guess this is out of context as well. BTW, don't try to act like this is an isolated case.

She only got 12 years.

Karzai orders release of rape victim - CNN

 

Does the Qur'an Sanction Violence? (by Mohamed Elmasry) - Media Monitors Network

 

When they are both driven by fanatic belief. Because that is the commonality between the two. Crazy.

 

That isn't indicative of Islam, my friend. That BS there pre-dates Islam by thousands of years. It is attempted to be justified now that way, but it doesn't really work.

If this were an Islamic thing, it would happen in every Islamic country. And yet, it only happens in ones with extreme Wahhabist and tribal (i.e., culturally PRE-Islamic) areas.

 

You mean the poor and uneducated use religion to justify violence? Unheard of.

 

Yes, I know. Sometimes they stone the victim to death, or a male relative does an 'honor killing'.

 

Let's all join hands and welcome Egypt back to the 3rd century.

Islamic cleric bans women from touching bananas, cucumbers for sexual resemblance - Bikya Masr

Those fun loving Muslims in Saudia Arabia.

BBC News - 'End of virginity' if women drive, Saudi cleric warns

No wonder the Arab world is upset. Holy Allah, you could almost see [breasts].

WOMEN'S LENS - Un coup d'oeil féminin: Semi-nude photo of Tunisian actress brings out Muslim anger