Let's talk Howland and his departure from UCLA

Discussion in 'Keith Hatfield Memorial Vols Hoops' started by MaconVol, Apr 16, 2014.

  1. MaconVol

    MaconVol Chieftain

    Is there anything that happened in the last few years that should keep us from hiring him?

    Is he trouble? It appears that he might be a mixed bag.

    Lots of potential upside if you hire him, but there also appears to be a lot of downside.

    I think it is of note that his last class at UCLA was ranked #2 in the country and included Shabbaz Muhammad. He also won the Pac-12 the year he got fired.


    http://articles.latimes.com/2013/mar/25/sports/la-sp-ucla-howland-fired-20130325
     
  2. droski

    droski Traffic Criminal

    That SI articles illustrates many of the problems. Basically the west coast AAU guys think he is a royal ahole and didn't play ball with him. Far less of a problem at Tenn than UCLA of course.
     
  3. CardinalVol

    CardinalVol Uncultured, non-diverse mod

    I've always thought he got too wrapped up in trying to get the best classes which didn't for his coaching style.
     
  4. kidbourbon

    kidbourbon Well-Known Member

    I think it's a major red flag, and it's why Howland isn't the one I hope we get. I previously unpacked this position in the Howland thread several months ago.
     
  5. cotton

    cotton Stand-up Philosopher

    Is that a good thing?

    Even Kentucky fans think Muhammad's recruitment was dirty.
     
  6. kidbourbon

    kidbourbon Well-Known Member

    It's not a good thing if he squandered it.

    I mean, I don't quite get the circle jerk over Howland. Corky from Life Goes On can get to the final four if he has two future perennial NBA all-stars on his team. Oh, and other NBA role players too. If the guy deserves credit, it's as a recruiter. And if we're convinced he bring those types of talents to Knoxville then he'd be a good coach for us. But he probably can't. And not once in his career has the whole of his team beenbetter than the sum of its parts.

    But circle jerk away.
     
  7. lylsmorr

    lylsmorr Super Moderator

    Wow, I had never read the SI article before today. No thanks
     
  8. Tar Volon

    Tar Volon Me Blog @RockyTopTalk.com

    If his only success had been at UCLA, I'd understand why you keep making this point. But he took over Pitt when they were complete shit and took them to the Sweet Sixteen twice. And then recruited future NBA players at UCLA. If he can't recruit Pitt (circa 2000)-caliber athletes to Tennessee, we should just give up basketball.
     
  9. LawVol13

    LawVol13 Chieftain

    This is my take as well.
     
  10. hatvol96

    hatvol96 Well-Known Member

    Nah, we just need to hire some ADD Generation American Idol winner type fu©kwad like Andy Enfield. That'll fix it.
     
  11. Dick Huffman

    Dick Huffman Guest

    +1
     
  12. droski

    droski Traffic Criminal

    if he wasn't damaged goods to some degree he wouldn't be available to tenn. his track record suggests that he can do it again. worth the risk IMO. what's the better alternative?
     
  13. droski

    droski Traffic Criminal

    he also recruited nationally. something forgotten by people that discount what he did about ucla is that ucla had been to all of 3 final fours since wooden before howland got there. it's a complete misconception that it's easy to win at ucla. you have a lousy fanbase, donors that except championships but aren't willing to pay for them, and until recently rather mediocre facilities (even the new stadium isn't anything special). the only real upside is it's not a hard place to recruit to.
     
  14. Richard Dick

    Richard Dick New Member

    Reading about his "feud" with Tim Floyd last year couldn't have made me happier. USC and Pat Haden are getting exactly what they deserve: a spineless piece of garbage that doesn't know when to keep his mouth shut.
     
  15. justingroves

    justingroves supermod

    I'd say recruiting is 2/3rds of the job.
     
  16. kidbourbon

    kidbourbon Well-Known Member

    Make actual points please.
     
  17. kidbourbon

    kidbourbon Well-Known Member


    How old was he then?
     

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