Discussion in 'Sports' started by Unimane, Jun 4, 2016.
Losing some big names recently.
Best of all time
Float like a butterfly sting like a bee. One of the greatest American athletes of all time. Rest easy to The Champ
He's easily in the top 5 most influential athletes of all time.
Here's a pretty great photo gallery
Important man in and out of the ring. But also a complicated and flawed man, as well. What he did to Joe Frazier was horrible. But I think he regretted it later in his life, and he became quite the ambassador.
As iconic as any figure in sports history.
He's on Rushmore with Ruth, Jordan...and that might be it.
Not for me. Draft dodging so someone else could provide him the freedom to sit his sorry behind at home doesn't work for me. He was a great boxer. He won some fixed fights.
Refusing to fight in Vietnam was his greatest moment. He didn't dodge the draft; he simply said he wasn't going based on his convictions and was willing to accept the consequences.
The Liston fights weren't fixed, certainly not the first one, at least.
Mr Peace corps who'd rather I did it so he can pretend he's too good and people will be nice comes with this. He wasn't willing anything. He fought tooth and nail behind his faux religion, as he publicly mocked Norton every time he could.
You mean Frazier, the one piece of truth in there that you have. He was disgustingly terrible to Frazier in order to self promote, I agree. Otherwise, he was Muslim his entire life and didn't become one to avoid the draft.
As for the first sentence, I'm not surprised you would say something so full of ignorance because you are a gigantic piece of shit. **** off.
I don't understand the pot shot at the Peace Corp.
And I will agree that the Nation of Islam is about as Islamic as the Moonies are Christian.
Yeah, especially in the 60s, the NOI was pretty cultish and only Malcolm X began to really strive to be more orthodox. Still, I think Ali was an earnest believer from the time he converted until his death and his objections were based upon legit reasons, for him.
Spinks fights were fixed.
Weird how folks come down on him for "draft dodging" when he was willing to suffer the consequences for objecting, but folks can justify Clinton, W. Bush, and others from getting privileged exceptions.
Really? I've never heard of this accusation. I'm going to have to check this out now. I'd heard a lot about the Liston stuff, but never anything about the Spinks fights.
Yeah. I don't know if I'd go this far, but media has been calling him a hero today for "standing up for what he believed in," i.e., avoiding combat. That's his choice in this country if he's willing to face the consequences (although he didn't), but it definitely doesn't make him or Clinton or Bush or Trump or anyone else who wouldn't go a hero.
I'm not justifying any of them. I'm not OK with them.
At the time, it wasn't his choice.
More of a choice than he would have had in a lot of places. He wasn't marched out there at gunpoint or taken to Siberia for the rest of his life.
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