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  1. Ssmiff

    Ssmiff Went to the White House...Again

    Wait unitl your wife is ovulating or pregnant and wants it. Thats pressure. Borderline rape if hormones are kicking. But no complaints here.
     
  2. Indy

    Indy Pronoun Analyst

    It can be a legal term, but it doesn't have to be.

    You are the one stating that pressure = sexual assault if the woman "feels" assaulted. Forgive me, but with statements like that, I didn't think we were discussing it in strictly legal terms. But if you want to go legal, let's do it. Which state's sexual assault law do you want to try to apply my previous Example 1 against? I'll let you choose.
     
  3. Indy

    Indy Pronoun Analyst

    But how did that make you feel?
     
  4. Ssmiff

    Ssmiff Went to the White House...Again

    Hard
     
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  5. fl0at_

    fl0at_ Humorless, asinine, joyless pr*ck

    Yes, we are. If the woman feels sexually assaulted, she can seek a legal remedy.

    Because society does not have a universal law for sexual assault, it probably wouldn't fall under criminal, but it could be a tort, which isn't terribly uncommon.
     
  6. Indy

    Indy Pronoun Analyst

    Feel free to hold him accountable for the pressure he applied, but if it is the exact same in each situation, it can't be sexual assault in one situation and not sexual assault in the other, especially if we are discussing in a legal sense.

    And if we really want to go down your path, any woman can "claim" that any action makes her "feel" assaulted, and is therefore sexual assault. But she doesn't get to decide if it was or not. The jury decides.
     
  7. justingroves

    justingroves supermod

    You're not wrong
     
  8. fl0at_

    fl0at_ Humorless, asinine, joyless pr*ck

    Yes, it can be, because there are two different people. And people have different ideas of what is, and is not, enough to be considered sexual assault. Simply because ONE person doesn't think that being groped, or penetrated or anything else isn't enough to warrant assault, doesn't mean that now NOBODY else can ever feel that way. But that is exactly what you are saying. You're just replacing the groping with pleading, but it is still the same thing.

    People are allowed to decide what they find to be offensive to them.

    Yes, it is sexual assault. She decided that, for herself, and then moved to have society validate her view. That's all a jury does, validate.
     
  9. Indy

    Indy Pronoun Analyst

    Why should we care what either person thinks is enough to be considered sexual assault? The law defines what is enough to be considered sexual assault. A woman could claim that a man looked at her chest, and she felt sexually assaulted, and by your line of thinking, if she thinks she was, she was.

    There's a reason we have laws. Again, I ask you to propose a sexual assault law under which a man would get convicted based on Example 1 from earlier.
     
  10. Indy

    Indy Pronoun Analyst

    Probably wouldn't fall under criminal? Can you find any US sexual assault law that would allow example 1 from earlier to fall under criminal?

    It could be a tort, but then no one is actually convicted of sexual assault. In other words, it's not sexual assault.
     
  11. fl0at_

    fl0at_ Humorless, asinine, joyless pr*ck

    There have been cases where women did feel they were sexually assaulted based on the stares of men, and it is reasonable to believe that they were. And it is simultaneously also okay to say that that is sexual assault. What you have moved in to with your first question is the equivalent of "if it isn't illegal, it's ok." And that's a hard pass for me, on a lot of things. The reason we should care is because we are more than just a set of laws. If we're just a system of laws, then, welp, looks like we found the purpose of life: to create law. So, again, hard pass on that.

    I gave you one, tort. If you want me to propose a law, that doesn't yet exist, it would be along the lines of what has already been defined:

    "whomever attempts to pressure another into a sexual act commits a Class C misdemeanor if the pressure is solely verbal" and then it would just scale up through aggravated sexual assault, and then on to rape.

    And like other types of assault and battery, would require that the person who was acted on, press charges, or the state bring charges, if the person is unable to do so themselves.
     
  12. fl0at_

    fl0at_ Humorless, asinine, joyless pr*ck

    Sexual assault is a legal term. Tort is legal. Law isn't only criminal. So yes, it is still sexual assault. It is not a criminal term. It is still legal term. As stated.
     
  13. lumberjack4

    lumberjack4 Chieftain

    The horny pregnant woman has to be a myth. My wife doesn't like me touching her arm when she's pregnant.
     
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  14. fl0at_

    fl0at_ Humorless, asinine, joyless pr*ck

    The only thing my wife wanted when pregnant was pizza.
     
  15. Ssmiff

    Ssmiff Went to the White House...Again

    Take a hint fellas
     
  16. NorrisAlan

    NorrisAlan Founder of the Mike Honcho Fan Club

    Porn has also lied to me. Apparently women don't just want to have sex because you walked in.
     
  17. Ssmiff

    Ssmiff Went to the White House...Again

    Did you forget the cocaine and cash? Thats on you
     
  18. Unimane

    Unimane Kill "The Caucasian"

    Speak for yourself.
     
  19. fl0at_

    fl0at_ Humorless, asinine, joyless pr*ck

    What works for me, is, when we're in bed, reading. Just let the fly on the boxers be open, and let a little peek. She'll look. Works every time.
     
  20. NYY

    NYY Super Moderator


    Mine can’t reach the opening.
     
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