NCAA Tournament Thread

Discussion in 'Sports' started by CardinalVol, Mar 20, 2014.

  1. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    A team that consistently had great talent still has great talent. I really don't see what is difficult about this.
     
  2. kidbourbon

    kidbourbon Well-Known Member

    I don't see what is difficult about answering the question. And yet you didn't. Unless, hold on, was that your actual answer?
     
  3. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    Uh, ya. That was my answer. A title from 3 years ago at a school is relevant because it demonstrates that the school, with a recent (and more) history of winning big is still, gasp, winning big. Do you need an illustration?

    Further, Kentucky seems to still be making runs just like they have been for a very long time. Citing "parity" is the tail waggin the dog in that the way seeding was conducted, and the way it is usually conducted, sucks. Do you think VCU, Oklahoma, Cincinnati, or Saint Louis were demonstrably better teams than UConn or Kentucky? Of course not, you aren't retarded. Yet they were seeded 2 to 3 spots above those teams. UPSET ALERT!
     
  4. kidbourbon

    kidbourbon Well-Known Member

    Of course they weren't demonstrably better. There was a ton of parity this year.
     
  5. IP

    IP Super Moderator

  6. kidbourbon

    kidbourbon Well-Known Member

    That graphic is your best addition to this thread.
     
  7. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    The smell of your nuts it yours.




    Boom, I'm heating up.
     
  8. hatvol96

    hatvol96 Well-Known Member

    Cincinnati and UCONN played in the same conference, one that plays a true round robin league schedule. The Bearcats tied for the league title and finished 3 games ahead of the Huskies.
     
  9. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    They beat Cincinnati 2 out of 3 times. They made it to their conference tournament finals, knocking off Cincinnati along the way. They had almost identical RPI's on selection Sunday and UConn had a stronger SOS. There is no reasonable way that I can find for putting Cincinnati ahead of UConn by two seeds. Either UConn was underseeded or Cincinnati was overseeded.
     
  10. kidbourbon

    kidbourbon Well-Known Member

    (rankings below are from kenpom. feel free to use another ranking if you like it more.)

    Quality wins = kenpom top 50 teams or teams that made the NCAA tourney at-large.
    Bad losses = kenpom 100+ teams or getting beat by 30 by anybody.

    Cincy quality wins:
    NC State 55
    Pitt 19
    Nebraska 44
    SMU 30
    Memphis 37
    Louisville 1
    UConn 23
    Memphis 37

    Cincy bad losses: none


    UConn quality wins:
    Maryland 40
    Florida 3
    Harvard 32
    Memphis 37
    Memphis 37
    Memphis 37
    Cincy 19
    Cincy 19

    UConn bad losses:
    Houston 125
    Louisville 1, 48-81

    UConn conference: AAC
    Cincy conference: AAC

    Cincy conference record: 15-3
    UConn conference record: 12-6
     
    Last edited: Apr 14, 2014
  11. kidbourbon

    kidbourbon Well-Known Member

    Next year everybody is required to do their own seedings before the field is announced or they lose all rights to subsequently [itch bay] about the seeding. New rule.
     
  12. hatvol96

    hatvol96 Well-Known Member

    That's utter nonsense. If you think it's surprising that a team that wins a regular season conference title and finishes three games ahead of another team is a put in the 5 slot while the other team gets a 7, there's no reason for us to continue this debate.
     
  13. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    But lost to 2 out of 3 times? Come on.


    Please also go over VCU, Oklahoma, and Saint Louis. Let's talk about how nonsensical my claim is on those as well.
     
  14. bigpapavol

    bigpapavol Chieftain

    It's the quality of teams that have to be seeded low due to having lost too many games during the season. That's actually a stronger argument for parity than a 1 and done scenario littered with flukes.
     
  15. hatvol96

    hatvol96 Well-Known Member

    All three played in conferences vastly superior to the SEC and better than the AAC. Take a look at who the best team Kentucky beat outside Rupp Arena during the regular season was. Other than a win over a Florida team missing multiple players, UCONN's profile is exactly what a seven seed usually looks like.
     
  16. hatvol96

    hatvol96 Well-Known Member

    UCONN beat Florida in the regular season. Obviously the Huskies should have received a bye to the Final Four. They beat the number one overall. If UCONN was so wildly underseeded, why did they need a furious rally and overtime to beat the sixth best team in the A-10 in their first game?
     
  17. kidbourbon

    kidbourbon Well-Known Member

    Yup. The second best team UK beat was Tennessee. The third best was Providence. They had no other notable wins. They could have had other notable wins, but they didn't win the games.
     
  18. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    Just a coincidence that it was UConn and Kentucky. Could have been anybody.
     
  19. hatvol96

    hatvol96 Well-Known Member

    They didn't even beat UT outside Rupp. When Providence is the best win you have outside your own building, you can't complain much about your seeding.
     
  20. hatvol96

    hatvol96 Well-Known Member

    No doubt. Kentucky and UCONN were so dominant and never tested in the tournament that we should all have seen that coming.
     

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