Obama has to hate Occupy Wall Street

Discussion in 'The Thunderdome' started by volfanjo, Oct 6, 2011.

  1. I am basing my assumptions on this thread. Calls the Tea Party a White Supremacist movement, while defending the socialists/communists/Nazis of Occupy.

    How could he not be mistaken for a left-winger?

    Scary? I'll tell you what is really scary. The fact that 67,000,000+ people in this nation, were stupid enough to fall for Obama's bullshit and vote for him. That is absolutely terrifying.
     
  2. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    I just don't get how one can not see the symmetry in the claims of "nazis" and other extremists being embedded in both protest movements. They're protest movements, of course there are extremists digging in like ticks for both! That happens every time historically. It doesn't define the groups, and certainly shouldn't define one and not the other.

    Was anyone else a little surprised at Ron Paul's nod of approval to some of the Occupiers? I am not sure if he is just trying to possibly get a little boost from them, or is just hoping he can swing them to focus more on the fed rather than the companies.
     
  3. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    I was being facetious, and I think that was pretty clear since I was saying BOTH groups have had the same rhetoric spouted about them and it was unfair. I was merely showing you how stupid that exact logic sounded to you when it was applied to a group you were sympathetic to.

    Is everyone who disagrees with you a left-winger? If so, that says more about you I think.
     
  4. The Communist Party USA and the American Nazi Party never openly endorsed and declared support for the Tea Party. They have for Occupy. There is the difference.
     
  5. JayVols

    JayVols Walleye Catchin' Moderator

    You do realize that communism and nazism are views that are at the opposite end of the political spectrum, right?

    So, all that has to happen is a group to say they support something and that automatically makes them associated with that group? Would GLAAD declaring support to Santorum make him a gay rights supporter?

    I am not defending or condemning any group here. I am merely pointing out your flawed logic in this case. The US has found itself in some major trouble over the years with the, 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend' type logic.

    The world is not as black and white as you seem to think it is.
     
  6. CardinalVol

    CardinalVol Uncultured, non-diverse mod

    Just caught this quote. Care to elaborate?
     
  7. Do you even know what the term "Nazis" stood for? National Socialist German Workers' Party.

    The Nazis are socialists. No, they aren't opposite ends of the political spectrum. They are in fact, very close.
     
  8. They believe in dialogue with liberals. The only time a conservative should 'reach across the aisle', is to [itch bay]-slap a liberal.

    There has never been a truer statement than Michael Savage's, "Liberalism Is a mental disorder!"

    Why would you allow people of questionable mental health to be in positions of power? The very concept is absurd.
     
  9. droski

    droski Traffic Criminal

    i enjoyed the top one
     
  10. JayVols

    JayVols Walleye Catchin' Moderator

    I know my history. Trust me. If you want to get technical, the Nazis were originally known as the NSDAP. Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei. It later became known as the Nazi party.

    Saying communists and fascists are very close is like saying the Republicans and Democrats are very close. They might be of the same system, but they are not "very close". Fascism is a right wing version of socialism while communism is a left wing version. Yes, they are at the opposite ends of their political system's spectrum.
     
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  11. fl0at_

    fl0at_ Humorless, asinine, joyless pr*ck

    Hehe. If someone were to tell you that arbeiter was a conjugation of arbeit, the verb "to work," and then split that down as such: National sozialistische Deutsche Arbeiter partei, how would you translate that?
     
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  12. They both use the same means to reach their goals.

    Unless your argument is that those killed by one faction are somehow 'more dead'.

    Fascism: authoritarian nationalist political ideology

    I would say the former communist Eastern Bloc pretty much had that fascism thing down to a science.
     
  13. fl0at_

    fl0at_ Humorless, asinine, joyless pr*ck

    What are the means and goals to which you refer, that are similar for both, yet different from other political ideologies?
     
  14. JayVols

    JayVols Walleye Catchin' Moderator

    National Socialist German Workers Party?
     
  15. fl0at_

    fl0at_ Humorless, asinine, joyless pr*ck

    Absolutely. You both said the same thing; one in German, one in English. It amused me.

    SOJ's idea that both parties are the same, or even on the same side of the political spectrum, however, does not amuse. Highly unamused.
     
  16. Communist and Fascists both run with the same power structure. A rulling elite that you will follow without question, or you will die.

    The goal is simple. Nationalize the resources of an entire nation, for the benefit of 'the people'. A wonderful concept except for one little detail. Human nature. Greed takes over. 'The people' becomes the ruling elite. The rest literally become slaves.

    Greed, you heard of it, correct? It is that thing you see [uck fay]ing morons on the left screaming about.

    The left would rather everyone be in chains, than a few have a little more than them.
     
  17. Socialism killed 100 million people last century, but who is counting?
     
  18. JayVols

    JayVols Walleye Catchin' Moderator


    In their purest forms they serve different purposes.

    Fascism- the people exist to provide for the state (The leader is the embodiment of the state. The Nazi salute was to honor their leader.) There are class (wealth) structures in fascism: hence, private ownership is allowed.

    Communism- the state exists to provide for the people. All are equal. No private ownership with no class structure. All the state's resources are supposed to be distributed equally.

    The mere 180 degree difference in views toward private ownership of property shoots a gaping hole in your assertion. Just because both systems share common methods (force, intimidation, murder, etc) to maintain power doesn't make them 'very close'. They are designed to serve different masters.
     
  19. fl0at_

    fl0at_ Humorless, asinine, joyless pr*ck

    What you have just described defines every political ideology known to man, save anarchy.



    I'm going to scratch my head here, because you are wandering. If Greed is inherent in the Right (because the Left doesn't want the Right to have it), but Greed is what brings Facism and Communism down... you are saying that Fascism, and now Communism, are both... politically Right leaning?
     

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