POLITICS Random Political/Legal

Discussion in 'Politicants' started by fl0at_, Jun 7, 2021.

  1. HCKevinSteele

    HCKevinSteele Well-Known Member

    Not to say the bill won't help at all if passed, but I have little hope the offenders won't find a way around it.
     
  2. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    I won't let perfect be the enemy of good. At minimum, the intent normalizes the expectation.
     
  3. HCKevinSteele

    HCKevinSteele Well-Known Member

    Oh I'm totally with you there, we've gotta start somewhere.
     
  4. Volst53

    Volst53 Super Moderator

    We’re at the end of keeping it propped up since the early 70’s.

    the only thing politicians and their families should be able to invest in is broad mutual funds.
     
  5. Ssmiff

    Ssmiff Went to the White House...Again

    It all has fraudulent tendencies. Politics, big business, numbers manipulations for board reports. Investments gained from those reports.
    I know of a company just recently which gained more seed money based off a report of hospital opportunities, most of which didn’t truly exist.
    I’m not defending breaking the law. When corporations and a group of attorneys get together, the line isn’t as clear in their business dealings, as it is for most of us here.
    I’ve also sat in a room and told 2 guys I hope they room in a cell together. I was fired on the spot, but karma got them. Company was Arthrocare and their story is on Google.
     
  6. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    Yep, and there are many options like that in existence.
     
  7. HCKevinSteele

    HCKevinSteele Well-Known Member

    Many of them believe they are entitled to the obscene gains made possible by trading on the information heard in committee meetings. A law prohibiting this behavior would be great but I’m hopeful that at some point the tide turns and we simply elect (for the most part) people who are interested in serving their country rather than first and foremost using their office to build wealth.
     
  8. JohnnyQuickkick

    JohnnyQuickkick Calcio correspondent

    Lol. I think increasingly fewer people that are worth a shit will want to waste their time in office
     
    SetVol13 and justingroves like this.
  9. HCKevinSteele

    HCKevinSteele Well-Known Member

    I mean I don’t think it’s very likely but Donald Trump was elected President so who knows.
     
  10. Poppa T

    Poppa T Vol Geezer

    It pizzes me off that this is not required. I worked for a major, major global corporation. Anything beyond broad fund offerings i.e., single company stocks, we ALL employees, but especially management/execs, were required to get Legal approval before we could purchase.

    Maybe it has changed, but the avoidance of mere perception was viewed as paramount.
     
    IP likes this.
  11. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    I doubt it has changed, congress is uniquely able to do this without any kind of scrutiny while being at the levers of decisions
     
  12. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    Wait til after the midterms, I imagine the clamping down on birth control will accelerate.

     
  13. NorrisAlan

    NorrisAlan Founder of the Mike Honcho Fan Club

    [uck fay]ers have been so scared of Sharia law being placed in America, and they are doing it themselves. [uck fay]heads.
     
  14. ole_orange

    ole_orange Board Simp

    Dems have WH and both chambers of congress, what is holding them back on simply codifying something? Internal disagreement within the Dem party on abortion limitations? Would Manchin not support it because he is worried about pissing off his overwhelmingly Republican base? Are they trying to not resolve this issue because they think this remaining unresolved come Election Day gives them the best shot at winning the Midterms nationally? I just don't get why they have not done something legislatively.

    EDIT: disregard. For some reason I ignorantly thought this wasn't a law where 60 votes were needed.

    https://www.politifact.com/factchec...mocrats-do-need-more-majority-codify-roe-vs-/
     
    Last edited: Sep 26, 2022
  15. NorrisAlan

    NorrisAlan Founder of the Mike Honcho Fan Club

    wha?
     
  16. ole_orange

    ole_orange Board Simp

    Ah nevermind. Disregard. They need 60 senate votes for that type of law.
     
  17. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    I believe the house has and the senate can't get 60 on it. I think the sides are too far apart as to what it should look like, in part because to save birth control one inherently protects some types or level of abortion. Most people have been misled on human reproduction for 70 years and are not ready to say all bc is abortion or admit that abortions don't necessarily mean killing a person. So the most conservative position becomes the default in many places and boom, no bc.
     
  18. ole_orange

    ole_orange Board Simp

    Yea totally went over my head that abortion codification is able to be filibustered. Clumsy of me to not realize that initially.

    As someone who would be labeled a "conservative" or "Republican" based on my voting history within our binary two party system, I [uck fay]ing hate everything about this issue. It's such bad politicking. Not to mention the fact abortion is one of the least pleasant things out there to talk about.

    On the leftwing extreme, the idea that a late term abortion could happen outside of having to save the life of a mother makes me wanna puke. The glorification and celebration of abortion I see out there within pop culture is sickening. At a certain point within a pregnancy I absolutely think we must protect and champion the unborn because I very much view a baby/fetus (whatever you wanna call it) as an actual human being with rights.

    On the other hand, the Republican extreme that they wanna outlaw birth control and any abortion at any point in pregnancy even in the event of rape and incest via charging anyone involved with murder is equally revolting. The alley-way coat hanger abortion type stuff is [uck fay]ing disgusting and has no place in a society like America. That is very much some Sharia-like Christian shit.

    But I'm not a scientist, a doctor, nor a "women" or "person with a uterus" as some say now. I'm self aware enough to know I have no business to be any type of authority on all things abortion. I don't know what the answer is.
     
    Last edited: Sep 26, 2022
    justingroves likes this.
  19. ole_orange

    ole_orange Board Simp

    One more thought on your last two sentences: I agree with your summarization. But I would also add that in the rare events a pregnancy of 8/9 month baby/fetus is terminated for no reason having to do with the health of the mother, rape or incest is indeed killing a human being. Even if someone is in a tough situation financially or whatever the motivation may be for a rare late term abortion, I think the unborn deserve a chance at life once they reach a certain stage in a pregnancy. I'd like to think that opinion doesn't make me a "Christian Taliban" or whatever term the no limit pro-choice crowd would call me. Just an incredibly sticky, sensitive and complicated situation overall
     
  20. CardinalVol

    CardinalVol Uncultured, non-diverse mod

    I had no clue what the Jones Act was, googled it, and how have we not erased this one from the books yet? Or at absolute bare minimum provide a caveat to allow for emergencies?
     

Share This Page