Socialism

My grandparents were so poor, they didn't have a pot to pee in nor a window to throw it out of. They worked hard, but just couldn't get ahead. They both had health issues. My grandfather had serious heart/circulatory problems and my grandmother had the worst case of rheumatoid arthritis I've ever seen. They got this gov't cheese. Add a touch of garlic powder and a bit of milk. Throw the chunked cheese in that bowl and microwave it. Great cheese dip with some saltines.

 

These are the people that need help.

Now we have people laughing about cutting a finger off to get assistance. They suck

 

So forced responsibility for survival.

 

Exactly. They are those that should receive assistance.

They are also the same ones being screwed by the other types you described. The finger is being pointed in the wrong direction IMO.

 

Temeber when everyone in the South was poor and found a way? The idea that we're going to "provide for the general welfare" into a better life for one off people is silly. Everyone develops health issues, with or without govt cheese. When the answer is figure it out, most do. Those that don't need to depart the gene pool or be cared for if physically or mentally incapable.

Some baseline level of livelihood and QOL are complete BS fabrications.

 

Those poor alligators - forced to hunt or die. Maybe they should get Obamacare.

 

I'm just trying to understand why any sort of force is bad when it's not capitalism, but "death" is great for it.

 

That's a straw man argument. That's like saying capitalism forces you to breathe.

 

He was a B-17 mechanic in England during WWII. He got crushed somehow while there. Not sure if that had anything to do with his problems. I do know it could be mid-July and he'd have his wood stove stoked up with his chair 4 feet away from it.

 

They harvested ginseng to help make ends meet. They actually cultivated it. HUGE roots.

 

If someone needs to know who deserves government entitlement, he is about as good an example I could produce. I am betting he never got any beyond normal G.I. offering.

 

My grandfather would have rather ginseng than eat.

 

None that I am aware of.

 

Im trying to understand why someone else would be willing to put themselves in a death situation because they want to force the government to get it from someone else. Greater good? Where does that fit in on their end?

I guess I could agree about not forcing someone to work if it was tied to the government not forcing others to foot the tab.

 

I see what IP is saying. We all should have concern for others and have the best society we can create. I mean, we don't live in a vacuum. What others do/don't do often does have an effect on us. The rub is, how do you address the issue? Some say gov't. Some say private enterprise. Being the middle of the road guy I see myself being, I think the answer is somewhere in between.

I just know that i despise moochers.

 

We shouldn't all have concern for everyone else. We should all have concern first for ourselves and what is most dear to us. If we wanna care about everyone else, that's our prerogative (credit to Bobby B).

 

If we're going to have welfare programs, I'd rather just have a direct payment in a a guaranteed income and end all of the waste and overlapping of programs.


I think first it should be up to the individuals to take care of each other.

 

Socialism encourages mooching. We've actually gotten worse about it by shouting down opposition to mooching as racists.

 

..... or as being not compassionate.

 

I never claimed anything about force regarding a socialist system. I only pointed out that it could literally be no worse than what we have in a purely capitalist economy. That's probably why no civilized country has a pure capitalist economy.