POLITICS The Biden Presidency

Discussion in 'Politicants' started by emainvol, Jan 20, 2021.

  1. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    there are shades of Benghazi hyperbole on this event. you only care because of the politics. we have lost hundreds of soldiers in Afghanistan and they were all tragic. We leave billions in equipment everywhere we go. that's how the military industrial complex gets rich. we've been dismantling and ordering more equipment for 20 years, but now the bill is thrown around like we were going to fly 200 Humvees and 50 M113's home?

    This is what leaving looks like. Always has. I can understand not wanting to leave yet but I really think it is naive to think we were going to walk away after picking a 20 year fight like nothing happened.

    there were 2500 soldiers left in that huge ass country at the start of the year. Get real.
     
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  2. Ssmiff

    Ssmiff Went to the White House...Again

    "You only care because of the politics". Come on IP. Do better than that. Pretty good to read IP telling another poster their political lean is a factor in their opinion. Lol.
     
  3. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    you skipped all of the points, which is expected.
     
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  4. Unimane

    Unimane Kill "The Caucasian"

    Certainly less absurd than your right wing talking points.

    Who "let" 13 soldiers die? A suicide bomber killing people in a warzone isn't exactly something the president can prevent.

    Thousands of citizens aren't stranded. There are a couple hundred Americans, many who may just be residents and not citizens, who were sent 19 notifications since March to leave. Most are Afghan-Americans who stayed with families and waited until the last minute to decide.

    The military equipment was left to the Afghan army and they fled, leaving equipment behind. The stuff we had was decommissioned. "Handing over 85 billion worth of equipment" is not true.

    I do miss the late night GahLee drive by shots, but, as usual, they seem to be false right wing talking points circulating around, like the stories about dogs and hanging people from helicopters.
     
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  5. Ssmiff

    Ssmiff Went to the White House...Again

    Sorry but when you tell someone else they only care based on politics, it's hard to focus on the rest.
     
  6. TennTradition

    TennTradition Super Moderator

    Do you think fewer than 13 would have died had we surged troops to defend Kabul in the absence of Afghan forces?

    Do you also believe that the US military left behind 85 billion in equipment for the Taliban that they could have just loaded up but didn’t have time. Was the Us military in possession of that equipment?

    I will say I would have liked to have seen us have a plan to fly those blackhawks to Uzbekistan (rather than just disable them), assuming that is the route. I know that was how they brought the Chinooks in.
     
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  7. VolDad

    VolDad Super Moderator

    Nice story. Except it didn't happen. He never visited the synagogue. (Let the spin begin)

     
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  8. zehr27

    zehr27 8th's VIP

    He's not wrong. You saying someone only cares because the politics is rich.
     
  9. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    You guys thinking you can shift positions or attention wildly and I won't remember or notice is really something. I guess that is how this country works. 20 year war, and suddenly 85 billion dollars is the sticking point? And mentioned IN THE SAME BREATH as killed servicemen? Amazing.
     
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  10. Volst53

    Volst53 Super Moderator

    20 years of lies and mismanagement in Afghanistan.

    it’s not totally on Biden but he just added to the long history of lies and mismanagement on his way out.

    either way we’re out now and that’s a big accomplishment, even if we miss handled it on our end out the door. Ending the war in Afghanistan will probably be the high spot for the Biden presidency.
     
  11. Indy

    Indy Pronoun Analyst

    I think it could have been the high spot, but I don’t think it will be. I think a lot of people’s perception of how he handled it is not good.
     
  12. warhammer

    warhammer Chieftain

    He could have dressed up like Rambo and taken down the Taliban himself, ensured democracy and freedom in the land for all time, all while playing some fetch the animal carcass game on horseback, and half the country would complain about it.
     
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  13. justingroves

    justingroves supermod

    I think only about 25% would
     
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  14. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    ya I dunno, I think the Rambo III could be pretty popular
     
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  15. JohnnyQuickkick

    JohnnyQuickkick Calcio correspondent

    This is a hell of a mental image
     
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  16. Ssmiff

    Ssmiff Went to the White House...Again

    starting talking to them, confused them so much talking about how dates are just prunes. they let down their guard and we droned em all.
     
  17. warhammer

    warhammer Chieftain

    Maybe I should have said complained about how he did it - killed them deader and whatnot.
     
  18. VolDad

    VolDad Super Moderator

    They wanted a new life in America. Instead they were killed by the US military

    Kabul, Afghanistan (CNN)To the United States military, he was an ISIS-K facilitator they feared was involved in a plot to attack Kabul's international airport.

    To his family and colleagues at a US nonprofit, 43-year-old Zamarai Ahmadi was an aid worker applying for a US visa to get his family out of Taliban-controlled Afghanistan....

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/14/asia/afghanistan-kabul-drone-strike-questions-intl-dst-hnk/index.html
     
  19. IP

    IP Super Moderator

  20. Indy

    Indy Pronoun Analyst

    Lol, he's mad about that, man.
     

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