POLITICS The Biden Presidency

Discussion in 'Politicants' started by emainvol, Jan 20, 2021.

  1. zehr27

    zehr27 8th's VIP

    He didn't say economically better, he said inflation is coming down (which is a correct statement) and then he went on to say it’s now lower in America than any other major economy in the world. That last part is incorrect. Overall we are not in terrible shape right now.
     
  2. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    Who has better inflation?

    Canada is 3.4% : https://www.reuters.com/markets/can...n rose to 3.4,by economists polled by Reuters.

    Japan had their highest inflation in 40 years at 3.1%: https://asia.nikkei.com/Economy/Inflation/Japanese-inflation-hit-41-year-high-in-2023

    Russia, 7.4%: https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2024/01/12/russian-inflation-unexpectedly-slows-in-december-a83711

    UK, 4% : https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/infl...bulletins/consumerpriceinflation/december2023

    Germany, 4% : https://www.focus-economics.com/cou...onized inflation fell,, from 3.8% in November.

    Italy's last 2 months have been flat, but were still 5% or so for the year: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ze...usiness-sentiment-improved-in-2023-271152/amp

    France, 3.7% : https://tradingeconomics.com/france...med at 3.7,in line with preliminary estimates.

    Meanwhile, USA: 3.4 %: https://www.statista.com/statistics/273418/unadjusted-monthly-inflation-rate-in-the-us/

    Looks very good to me. But I guess a community note that misled by including deflation and cherry picked different months is enough to dazzle @Ssmiff since it confirmed his "gut." Silly me, googling around for information instead of just taking the note. That [dadgum] liar Joe Biden. Japan! Great example, except for their lost decades due to deflation and stagnation, making them an apples and oranges comparison.

    But ssmiff probably knew all that.


    USA! USA! USA! This is good, right guys? America's economy is doing good!
     
  3. zehr27

    zehr27 8th's VIP

    Japan still has better so once again he still made an incorrect statement. You're starting to look silly and unhinged.
     
  4. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    Sure.
     
  5. Volst53

    Volst53 Super Moderator

    The economy is in a really weird place too.

    it’s being held together by a lot of federal spending that isn’t sustainable or getting much bang for the buck either.

    that’s why even though some of the data is good on the surface level, so many think it’s in such a bad place
     
  6. Volst53

    Volst53 Super Moderator

    Also the dramatic supply in the money supply handed out to businesses and people around the globe and here at home, was the driving force behind inflation.

    Covid and Russia Ukrainian war added to it but the main drivers.
     
  7. HCKevinSteele

    HCKevinSteele Well-Known Member

    Man are you serious right now? Yes, it is true we are doing better than many other places. But there are a great many metrics that are very very very bad right now.
     
  8. Ssmiff

    Ssmiff Went to the White House...Again

    It was a yes or no question that you are still unable to answer. Biden lies to you everyday and you are so blind you can’t see it or don’t care or twist it back to somebody else’s fault.
    Just like he lied about Trump and these dead soldiers. You just eat it up and no different than those on the right who don’t know Trump is a pos.
     
  9. HCKevinSteele

    HCKevinSteele Well-Known Member

    I don’t have time to pull these numbers and quantify how bad they are right now but all are bad:

    -Personal savings rate
    -Credit card debt
    -Home affordability
    -Number of people losing full time jobs and replacing with multiple part time jobs

    Yes, these are at consumer level and not the broader economy. That said, “stonks go up so economy is good” is dumb and not what the Democrats are supposed to be about.
     
  10. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    Is that what you read? "Stonks go up so economy good?" Okay.

    Economy sucks, got it.
     
  11. Ssmiff

    Ssmiff Went to the White House...Again

    So looks like we may start a war with Iran. Hope not. Biden said 3+ years ago if Trump was elected, “Trump will start a war with Iran” to scare people for votes.
     
  12. HCKevinSteele

    HCKevinSteele Well-Known Member

    Not saying that you said it, but it is the party line right now. And don’t get me wrong I’m not blasting Democrats on this per se. Politically I’m not sure they have a better play. Where we are right now was a long time in the making.

    In general, I just don’t like commentary on the economy that ignores or mostly ignores the experiences of average Americans, from Republicans or Democrats.
     
  13. Unimane

    Unimane Kill "The Caucasian"

    We aren't getting into a war with Iran. Between the two of them, only one has ordered an air strike on a general in the Iranian military. too.
     
  14. Poppa T

    Poppa T Vol Geezer

    "Start war"?

    Iran has been escalating via proxies for awhile.

    Difficult, complex situation.
     
  15. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    Good news!
     
  16. HCKevinSteele

    HCKevinSteele Well-Known Member

    Can you see how responding to the metrics i mentioned with that might make me think you’re not arguing in good faith?

    If no, I can delve further into why putting stock in what you posted as opposed to any one of 10 or 20 other metrics is probably unwise.
     
  17. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    If you don't think me sharing in response to you that the family current financial situation jumping up is good faith, you are not good faith.
     
  18. HCKevinSteele

    HCKevinSteele Well-Known Member

    Why not consider some hard data before going to the results of a survey? A survey that is no doubt valuable but on the whole probably not THAT valuable.

    Also, Will Stancil is a moron.
     
  19. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    Alright, so family current financial situation survey is not valuable, inflation is not valuable, GDP is not valuable, and the stock market is not valuable. What is?
     
  20. HCKevinSteele

    HCKevinSteele Well-Known Member

    Did I say those things aren’t valuable? I can offer my thoughts but don’t know where you got that.
     

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