Sports Betting Now Legal

Discussion in 'Sports' started by CardinalVol, May 14, 2018.

  1. NorrisAlan

    NorrisAlan Founder of the Mike Honcho Fan Club

    Yes. But K-12 is always the big seller.
     
  2. CardinalVol

    CardinalVol Uncultured, non-diverse mod

    Of course, add "for the kids" and you can get away with just about anything.
     
  3. lumberjack4

    lumberjack4 Chieftain

    Why does every tax have to be earmarked? Alabama is terrible about it. Completely kneecaps the state's ability to be flexible if funding lines fail to meet expectations.
     
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  4. droski

    droski Traffic Criminal

    It really doesn’t matter because they can simply reduce spending from other sources if they dedicate this to health or schools. Just like lottery revenues
     
  5. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    Oh look, another poor-tax stream.
     
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  6. kptvol

    kptvol Super Moderator

    If they are spending significant money on sports betting and lottery tickets it isn't taxes that's keeping them poor.
     
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  7. CardinalVol

    CardinalVol Uncultured, non-diverse mod

    I'm not a fan of state-sponsored gambling, but any tax revenues derived from it are 100% optionally paid.

    Pretty sure I've paid $0 in lottery taxes since its inception in TN. If it's not $0, it's not much above it.
     
  8. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    If you don't see the moral hazard, I don't think I am going to convince of it. The desperate and foolish shouldn't bear most of the burden of education and social programs, they should be the ones being targeted to receive them.

    I have also never bought a lottery ticket. I don't object to them being available, I object to integrating them as essential funding mechanisms for core services. We know gambling is addictive. It may start out as a choice but at some point people can, have, and will on occasion develop a real problem.

    It's whatever. I don't like the government becoming overly incentivized to push vice. I don't want to tell adults they can't gamble responsibly either.
     
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  9. CardinalVol

    CardinalVol Uncultured, non-diverse mod

    I fully understand the moral hazard. Tis' why I voted against it in 2002 and am doing all I can to make sure my kids don't require one penny of it for college. That said, at some point, people are going to do what they want to and I can't hold their hand.

    However, I at least assume that sports gambling likely involves higher income classes than the lottery.
     
  10. kptvol

    kptvol Super Moderator

    I understand the dilemma, but the reality is that for most of the participants that money was going to be pissed away on something equally worthless, regardless. Gambling addiction is a fair point, though.
     
  11. kptvol

    kptvol Super Moderator

    There are definitely plenty of well off people betting on sports (although it's probably mostly the poor people that really dig themselves in a hole by overdoing it). It's also not that hard to do it with or without this SC decision.
     
  12. CardinalVol

    CardinalVol Uncultured, non-diverse mod

    I don't think I've met a single person that bets on sports that thinks they are going to make tons of money. Most I know admit they'll lose but think its fun to do it. I'm sure that there are those that think they are going to strike it big, but I don't know them.

    As for the lottery, I've met plenty of people who think this is their ticket to wealth, and it's sad.
     
  13. kptvol

    kptvol Super Moderator

    I don't get it. It's universally understood that the odds are impossibly bad.
     
  14. CardinalVol

    CardinalVol Uncultured, non-diverse mod

    Nor do I. I guess if you spend enough, it increases your chances of winning.
     
  15. NorrisAlan

    NorrisAlan Founder of the Mike Honcho Fan Club

    Desperation. Also the human being is programmed to expect success. When I have played the lottery, there is a good portion of me that is convinced I have the winning ticket.

    And I have known a lot of poor people that are convinced that that $10 to win $200 million is a far better bet than putting that $10 into a managed fund, which of course, is not true.
     
  16. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    But becoming dependent on revenue from it leads to the state encouraging it, and no longer being a neutral regulator.
     
  17. droski

    droski Traffic Criminal

    better cut alcohol and cigarette taxes too then
     
  18. kptvol

    kptvol Super Moderator

    I think that’s more of a problem of feeling obligated to spend every available cent and then some.
     
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  19. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    If we earmark alcohol and tobacco taxes to fund schools or basic services, that is a mistake. Period.
     
  20. droski

    droski Traffic Criminal

    money is fungible. earmarking extra taxes doesn't matter. 100% of the lotto proceeds in california go to the schools. all they did was cut funding to the schools by the amount of the lotto proceeds.
     

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