2009 vs 2014 o line

Discussion in 'Vols Football' started by CardinalVol, Oct 19, 2014.

  1. CardinalVol

    CardinalVol Uncultured, non-diverse mod

    Just from a raw talent standpoint, what are the differences? Was 09 that much better off talent wise? This is a half-loaded, half trying to remember question.
     
  2. utvol0427

    utvol0427 Chieftain

    Wasn't '09 the group that had the two walk-ons starting that should have been playing at Carson Newman?
     
  3. Knox9552

    Knox9552 Member

    Would trade for that line in a heartbeat. 3 future NFL players in the top 6-7 guys.
     
  4. kptvol

    kptvol Super Moderator

    We played a true frosh tight end at RT. Clearly they were loaded.

    There were some decent players there, but they were all absolutely terrible the year prior. Chris Scott, in particular, made a tremendous jump from 08 to 09. Then you had Vlad Richard, the oft-injured DT turned OG, Sullins brothers, and a decent center with awful knees that didn't play a lot. I forget who the RT was before Aaron Douglas stepped in. You also had Jacques MacClendon, who was pretty good.
     
  5. lylsmorr

    lylsmorr Super Moderator

    Don't forget that Marcus Jackson was starting among a group of NFL players. Now look at him. It sure as heck isn't all talent deficiency
     
  6. kptvol

    kptvol Super Moderator

    Kerbyson is about 3% as good as Douglas was his first year. That's unacceptable for a four star that had offers from Bama, Florida, and about everyone else. Marcus Jackson was pretty well-regarded, as were several of our backups. They are either all busts, or haven't been taught how to play.
     
  7. justingroves

    justingroves supermod

    Douglas was a redshirt freshman, but everything else is spot on.

    McNeil was the center with no knees
     
  8. Knox9552

    Knox9552 Member

    For all intents and purposes McNeil's last year was 2008, he appeared in 1 game in 2009.
     
  9. justingroves

    justingroves supermod

    Marcus Jackson was an Under Armour All American.
     
  10. CardinalVol

    CardinalVol Uncultured, non-diverse mod

    So, here is my point.

    This line is awful. But should they be as awful as they have been? Was the 09 line THAT much better? And how much of a difference did coaching make?
     
  11. lylsmorr

    lylsmorr Super Moderator

    They should absolutely not be this awful. James Cregg could make a world of difference with these guys
     
  12. justingroves

    justingroves supermod

    Mitch Browning and James Cregg are 2 of the best ol coachesin college football.

    Mahoney is not.

    And no, they shouldn't be this awful. The left side of the ol were coveted recruits. Crowder blows, Thomas was a high school center and Robertson is raw. They should all be getting in the way of dl. Right now, they aren't
     
  13. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    I want to know if they are blind. I saw a guy go between two that were literally blocking no one. They were like looking upfield as if someone was going to teleport in and rush them, and ignored the guy they could have easily blocked. Block ANYONE. It is crazy how every rusher gets through to the point of getting into each other's way. Or maybe that is the genius plan.
     
  14. kptvol

    kptvol Super Moderator

    Is it possible they are straight up confused as to who they are supposed to block? I can't imagine it's this challenging. And you would think double teaming a guy would be better than standing there blocking no one.
     
  15. hatvol96

    hatvol96 Well-Known Member

    Bingo.
     
  16. lylsmorr

    lylsmorr Super Moderator

    If the OL gets confused in zone blocking, well...that would make me sad
     
  17. CardinalVol

    CardinalVol Uncultured, non-diverse mod

    At least I am not alone in believing they should not be this bad.
     
  18. kmf600

    kmf600 Energy vampire

    Maybe start with basics. See the guy in the other color jersey? Put your hands on him.
     
  19. NorrisAlan

    NorrisAlan Founder of the Mike Honcho Fan Club

    Wait. Wait!

    We are allowed to touch them? I thought that was holding and not allowed.
     
  20. A-Smith

    A-Smith Chieftain

    You know how a lot of coaches started recruiting soccer-style kickers a few years ago. The new trend is soccer-style linemen. Butch is on the cutting edge on this.
     

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