POLITICS Fake Outrage for Hire

Discussion in 'Politicants' started by Tenacious D, Oct 8, 2018.

  1. Tenacious D

    Tenacious D The law is of supreme importance, or no importance

    I ask, again, how many confirmations of paid protestors does one need, before we can admit this actually happens?

    Is happening.

    And if we can now admit that this does occur, can we then start to unpack the reasons why this continues to happen?

    What’s the point, and to what end is it aimed?

    Is this singularly a liberal activity?
    Have conservatives ever done this, before?
    Is it effective? Is it counter-effective?
    Is it good that it’s happening?
    Good for whom, or what, if so?

    Is it good for America? Neutral? Bad?

    Does it even matter? Should it matter?

     
  2. CardinalVol

    CardinalVol Uncultured, non-diverse mod

    Is this singularly a liberal activity? Likely not, see Koch brothers
    Have conservatives ever done this, before? One instance I'd be interested in looking at is when Haslam tried to expand Medicaid in TN. I'd put money there were.
    Is it effective? Is it counter-effective? Depends on situation
    Is it good that it’s happening? No
    Good for whom, or what, if so? Good for the power brokers with money
     
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  3. Indy

    Indy Pronoun Analyst

    Are people denying that this is happening? I thought it was pretty much understood as factual at this point.
     
  4. NorrisAlan

    NorrisAlan Founder of the Mike Honcho Fan Club

    When I hear paid protestor, I think of someone that would protest his own mother's funeral if paid, not caring for the cause one bit.

    But someone that is part of a liberal/conservative action group and gets paid by that group and part of their job is to organize protests etc, that is not what I am thinking of when you say someone is a paid protestor.
     
  5. Tenacious D

    Tenacious D The law is of supreme importance, or no importance

    The next natural question, and I think it’s a fair one to be asked, is how sincerely and strongly must a person hold a belief, in order to either require or accept money to protest on its behalf?
     
  6. NorrisAlan

    NorrisAlan Founder of the Mike Honcho Fan Club

    If it requires a full-time effort, then they will require payment to do the work. Senators and presidents and judges require payment. No different for other citizens doing work to get people elected or fight for a cause.
     
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  7. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson are paid protesters.
     
  8. Tenacious D

    Tenacious D The law is of supreme importance, or no importance

    So, you see it as being different for full vs part time protestors?
     
  9. Tenacious D

    Tenacious D The law is of supreme importance, or no importance

    No, they aren’t.
     
  10. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    Why not? They get paid to be outraged. Right?
     
  11. NorrisAlan

    NorrisAlan Founder of the Mike Honcho Fan Club

    No different than full-time/part-time organizers for rallies for a cause. Like the people that organize a politicians election rallies.
     
  12. Poppa T

    Poppa T Vol Geezer

    Can't get link to work. BBC had a pretty good take on this.
     
  13. Indy

    Indy Pronoun Analyst



    The whole video is interesting, but the on-topic portion starts at 10:25.
     
  14. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    Tenny and many conservatives have taken this hook, line, and sinker (ironically, in Tenny's case). You should read or watch Merchants of Doubt. The entire climate change denial movement is built on this stuff.
     
  15. Tenacious D

    Tenacious D The law is of supreme importance, or no importance

    So, you don’t see a line which exists between “protestors” and “organizers”?
     
  16. Tenacious D

    Tenacious D The law is of supreme importance, or no importance

    I don’t know why it’s particularly ironic for me, tbh.

    I’d love to read where this climate denial stuff comes from, how much is real v paid protest / propaganda, and will legit try to check it out.

    But the larger questions as to the efficacy, correctness, harm v help, of paid protestors, remains.

    Because if it’s a net negative, then we’re just arguing two wrongs, even if the book you mention shows that the conservative sure does it, too (and which I accept your assertion that it does show this, and is factual, even having not read it myself).
     
  17. Poppa T

    Poppa T Vol Geezer

    Even the firm that hired actors to cheer Trump’s campaign launch had to wait to be paid

    By Philip Bump
    January 20, 2017
     
  18. CardinalVol

    CardinalVol Uncultured, non-diverse mod

    While we're at it - those signs you see at rallies? Campaign staffs make them too.

    Just FYI for any thinking otherwise.
     
  19. Beechervol

    Beechervol Super Moderator

    Do they still pass them out from a make shift food truck?
     
  20. bigpapavol

    bigpapavol Chieftain

    Hold up. Elected people are the same as paid protestors in the street? Judges are the same?

    I differ.
     

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