One & Done

Discussion in 'Sports' started by cotton, Nov 2, 2016.

  1. cotton

    cotton Stand-up Philosopher

    Showtime doc starting Friday about the NCAA and basketball policy. Ben Simmons seems to be a centerpiece, which is an interesting perspective from a foreign player forced into 1 year of college:

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...om&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial

    Some quotes:

    "The NCAA is really f--ked up...They say education, but if I'm there for a year, I can't get much education."

    "I got B's and C's; I'm not going to class next semester because I don't need to," Simmons said, per Medcalf. "... I'm here to play; I'm not here to go to school."
     
  2. justingroves

    justingroves supermod

    Which is why the one and done is stupid.

    If you want to compromise, go the baseball route. Go to school 3 years or don't go at all
     
  3. lylsmorr

    lylsmorr Super Moderator

    Yes
     
  4. fl0at_

    fl0at_ Humorless, asinine, joyless pr*ck

    Could probably solve a lot of it by just letting folks make an attempt at making it into the pros without it hurting amateur status.

    I think once kids get kicked in the face out of high school, and see where they actually stand as far as draft status to skill level, they might put more stock in actually getting an education.
     
  5. smokysbark

    smokysbark Chieftain

    The rub is what to do about it without adversely effecting the NCAA quality of basketball. They could evolve the D league where players could go and develop physically and mentally before being drafted along with providing mandatory financial planning classes, social media awareness, domestic violence classes, etc. If they do that though, how many players would even go play in college at all? One and done is stupid but it does continually bring in the top freshmen to the NCAA every year.
     
  6. smokysbark

    smokysbark Chieftain

    "without it hurting amateur status." That's a big deal as well...especially for players drafted in the second round. Their contracts are unguaranteed.
     
  7. fl0at_

    fl0at_ Humorless, asinine, joyless pr*ck

    That's a risk they have to decide they are going to take or not. If they were allowed an agent, I'm sure one could probably show what percentage of second rounders make it, and help them make their choice. But they aren't allowed that, either.
     
  8. utvol0427

    utvol0427 Chieftain

    The baseball rule is also stupid.
     
  9. smokysbark

    smokysbark Chieftain

    I read an article a while ago from a blog on how to fix the one and done rule. Basically said they should:
    1. adopt modified version of the baseball rule. Let players enter right out of HS and allow a 30 day window to finalize a contract. If a player or team opts out, player is allowed to attend college but not eligible to reenter until 21 or three years in college. (something like that).

    2. Require guaranteed contracts. First rounders get three year guaranteed and second rounders get year to year guaranteed with at least rookie minimum.

    3. If players aren't drafted or players who are drafted but don't sign can go back to college for three years or until age 21.

    4. Allow HS players to consult with an agent without it effecting their eligibility.
     
  10. justingroves

    justingroves supermod

    It is less stupid than a semester of college where you have to go to class, then a semester that doesn't matter
     
  11. utvol0427

    utvol0427 Chieftain

    Fair enough, but they are both pretty damn stupid.

    If a kid has graduated high school and there is a team willing to use a draft pick on him, he should be able to enter the draft. It shouldn't matter if he just graduated, a year removed from graduating, or three years removed from graduating.
     
  12. NashVol11

    NashVol11 Chieftain

    This. Let them leave whenever the hell they want. Almost no one would be leaving as a freshman or sophomore anyway, they'd enter after HS.
     
  13. hatvol96

    hatvol96 Chieftain

    Exactly. The only beneficiary of that rule is college baseball.
     
  14. CardinalVol

    CardinalVol Uncultured, non-diverse mod

    Probably worth noting the one and done rule is because of the NBA, not ncaa.
     
  15. bigpapavol

    bigpapavol Super Moderator

    At least its cloaked in repayment for the scholarship funds. Basketball is just collusion.
     
  16. justingroves

    justingroves supermod

    I'm all for letting them go when they want
     

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