POLITICS President Trump: 100+ Mornings After (Term 1 Complete)

Discussion in 'Politicants' started by IP, Apr 30, 2017.

  1. JayVols

    JayVols Walleye Catchin' Moderator

    Interesting question & point. I had not thought about a connection with her & Ryan's words. She definitely got around to lots of GOP bigwigs.

    It's intriguing, for sure. In broad strokes, Ryan's words just reinforces my POWER>principle statement.

    I won't miss Paul Ryan one bit. He's a spineless shitbag.
     
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  2. TennTradition

    TennTradition Super Moderator

    There are tea politics consequences for action or inaction depending on the evidence. I think that it will be a sticky process but the fact that the Mueller investigation is still going speaks to the power of institutions.
     
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  3. NorrisAlan

    NorrisAlan Founder of the Mike Honcho Fan Club

    I don't think what Trump did was illegal in that paying someone to be quiet is illegal. It is that it was not reported as a campaign contribution. I believe that the dossier research was, in a round about way, reported. Now, how well it was reported is up for debate, and as always, if something was done illegally by the Clinton campaign, then they should be held accountable.
     
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  4. JayVols

    JayVols Walleye Catchin' Moderator

    What Ryan did by attaching a no debate clause on stopping support for the Saudi war in Yemen to the Farm Bill is a glaring example of Ryan's shitbagginess.
     
  5. TennTradition

    TennTradition Super Moderator

    I think it’s more about what you report. You can report opposition research but reporting that you paid a pornstar off probably gives things away.
     
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  6. JayVols

    JayVols Walleye Catchin' Moderator

    Confidentiality agreements are legal. Failing to report payoffs that were designed to influence an election by preventing damaging stories from coming out, not reporting the expenditures, then constantly lying about it are not so legal.

    The cover up is often greater than the crime.

    Look at the Flynn case. He was the incoming NSC Chairman. He had legit reasons to be talking to foreign countries. Why lie about it unless you were talking about things you shouldn't be?
     
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  7. NorrisAlan

    NorrisAlan Founder of the Mike Honcho Fan Club

    It is always, always the cover-up. I tell my children this all the time, don't lie, because I will find out and then you will be in 10x as much trouble.

    They never listen.
     
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  8. zehr27

    zehr27 8th's VIP

    It makes zero sense to me.
     
  9. NorrisAlan

    NorrisAlan Founder of the Mike Honcho Fan Club

    Campaign laws are in place to keep people from donating a ton of money without knowing where it comes from and from having large slush funds that can be used for anything and everything.

    In this case, Clinton's campaign reported it, Trump's did not. They hid it, thus making it illegal.
     
  10. NorrisAlan

    NorrisAlan Founder of the Mike Honcho Fan Club

  11. zehr27

    zehr27 8th's VIP

    So its a reporting issue. Like when Obama got fined. It seems silly to me but politics in general make little sense anymore.
     
  12. NorrisAlan

    NorrisAlan Founder of the Mike Honcho Fan Club

    Obama didn't spend money and not report it. His campaign didn't report income that was received in the appropriate amount of time and was fined a large sum (largest at that time) for this error, as I understand it, and the FEC even deemed it minor in scope considering all the money raised.

    I know it all seems nebulous and mysterious, and I agree, and depending on where you land in the spectrum of things, one side might see it as minor, and others as major. But I think having a secret slush fund that goes unreported is a lot different than what amounted to clerical errors.
     
  13. zehr27

    zehr27 8th's VIP

    So a reporting issue.
     
  14. NorrisAlan

    NorrisAlan Founder of the Mike Honcho Fan Club

    But there is also intent involved when it comes to the criminality of it (not just a fining issue). For it to be a felony, as I understand it, there has to be intent. So a simple clerical error doesn't amount to much, but the intent to change the potential outcome of the election is where the rub is when not reporting the funds. Kind of like the difference between manslaughter and murder one. Both are killing someone, but one has different intent and far different outcomes if convicted (and this might be a bad analogy, but tried to come up with something on the spot).

    Again, it is all about corruption protection and keeping the election legitimate.
     
  15. zehr27

    zehr27 8th's VIP

    Good rules to have in place.
     
  16. The Dooz

    The Dooz Super Moderator

    It’s certainly been funny watching the the long time Party of the Law turn their back on it so easily.

    Or scary, depending on how you look at it.
     
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  17. lylsmorr

    lylsmorr Super Moderator

    Every party favors the law when it favors them.
     
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  18. JayVols

    JayVols Walleye Catchin' Moderator

  19. JayVols

    JayVols Walleye Catchin' Moderator

    No doubt. But there's one guy in particular here that has TRUMPeted the law's supreme importance since 2016....
     
  20. The Dooz

    The Dooz Super Moderator

    There’s only one party that has been well known and/or been referred to as the law and order party.
     
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