Pretty sure you have to apprehend people to arrest them, and if they are alluding arrest, then, well, tough.
Early on the lab leak theory was universally condemned as racist and was not an acceptable position to hold publicly. Scientists were pressured into discounting it as a possibility. Now it is widely considered to be plausible if not the most likely scenario. So you are wrong. Completely wrong. On the vaccine you seem to rely purely on your perspective as someone who understands vaccines and discount the impact of messaging from the media. The message was get the vaccine and you won’t get Covid, get the vaccine and stop the spread, etc. If you don’t you’re evil and deserve to be excluded from society. Well even fire you and take food out of your children’s mouths if you don’t. There are millions and millions of Americans who were influenced by bullshit exaggerated fear porn. And it’s worth noting the horrendous messaging and lies have decreased faith in public health and medicine, particularly around vaccines, to an astonishing degree. And that is a massive failure for public health in this country. Which industry stood to make enormous sums from the vaccine and is also the largest single source of funding for American media? Same industry with a truly staggering history of criminality and deceit. To simply ignore those things is asinine. Were there / are there conspiracy theories surrounding it all? Sure. But I’m not spouting them here and that will not change.
No, you are misremembering things. It was racist to blame Asians/Chinese people for COVID. It was conspiratorial to say China intentionally made COVID. It was premature to say it was a lab leak (and there are reasons to think it was not, though we will probably never know for sure). All of these have been incorporated into the conspiratorial narrative. You are now moving the goal posts. You say I am someone who understand vaccines and thus discount the impact of messaging? My dude, in the social media era this conspiracy shit is the loudest messaging. The more people got vaccinated and the faster they did, the more quickly things would end. That was the message. You are better off with the vaccine than without it. That was the message. And these messages were made in reply to conspiracies about mass deaths from the vaccine and it being part of some social control experiment. Lo, 2024 and there is no mass die off of the vaccinated. In fact, excess deaths are now down lower than pre-COVID (probably due to the premature deaths of older/susceptible people during COVID). Pretty much every position you express involves a nefarious unidentified villain moving people "like pawns." Here's a conspiracy: is that a coincidence you see everything like that? Or is it more!
You’re misremembering. Obviously there were people who blamed China/Chinese people. But the lab leak theory, absent any animosity towards China, was widely decried as racist and also as impossible (without any basis). It may have been premature to say it WAS a lab leak or was MOST LIKELY a lab leak, but it certainly wasn’t unreasonable for it to be considered. Yet that shit was completely shut down. Why do you suppose that happened? On the vaccine, your perspective seems to be massively warped by being a very online person. Most people aren’t. People heard from what they thought were trusted sources that if they got the vaccine they wouldn’t be infected, they wouldn’t transmit the virus, they wouldn’t be fired from their job, they’d be allowed to visit their loved ones, generally that they’d be able to live life. Most people took it just because they wanted it all to go away. It’s telling to me that you’ll still say I’m blaming unidentified nefarious villains, but even when I do identify the people who have the incentive, ability and in some cases history of nefarious action, it still constitutes a conspiratorial mindset. I’m conspiratorial for thinking the pharmaceutical industry would do exactly what you’d expect them to do given their history. Why? And I don’t see everything that way, you’re inventing that whole cloth. I’m not sure what you’d want me to say other than listing alleged conspiracy theories and me telling you which ones are very plausible or likely based on the facts we know, and which ones are absurd on the merits or even absurd at just face value.
Did things settle down or escalate after the perfect tackle? Your idea people can do whatever they say or want to do and just cry when they [uck fay] around and find out is annoying. We need much much more [uck fay] around and find out because as the graph shows, the less you [uck fay] around, the less you find out.
Im not diving in this familiar mess too deep but the issue with the vaccine I have is the president and others up there telling the world if you get the vaccine you won’t get Covid. They lied. Intentionally misinformed. If IP knew it wasn’t 100% effective, President and his staff did too. But they lied and nobody seemed to give a shit.
I was brought up to know if I [uck fay]ed around with police, I’d find out. You can’t wear a [uck fay]ing mask and scuffle with police then be a [itch bay] whining about a tackle. It’s weak as shit man.
My position is that in the moment of time in which he said it, it was true that it if everyone got the vaccine who was supposed to R0 would be less than 1 and it would end. Time went on. We've had this discussion more than once. My position is also that Ssmiff has no way to know and no reason to think Biden was intentionally lying while sharing sound advice from our medical experts. He pretends like he does, but then he can't get any of the details or timelines about things right. I had gone back in the thread and pointed this out to him more than once over the time of COVID as the crap occurred. It just doesn't seem to matter what really happened, the stories are preferred.
Well, I’m a good deducer and I deduced it. There’s zero chance he and his staff were advised it was 100% effective. No chance Fauci told them that. You know science and from day 1 never mentioned it would keep people from getting covid. Biden told the world a lie to push them to get the shot. I don’t have proof. Don’t really need it as it’s an opinion and I’m pretty confident in its accuracy.
You are something else man. “My position is that what he said would be true if ~unlikely or perhaps impossible event occurs~.”
Knocking covid out with one shot a few months in woulda been pretty cool. Too bad we aren’t in a Tom Cruise movie for it to happen.
Unlikely or perhaps impossible due to people's choices. But then people also claim folks were forced to take them.
See now this line actually pisses me off. People were not forced in the same sense that you wouldn’t have been forced to give me your money if the alternative was being stabbed. If the alternative is losing your job, livelihood or ability to do a ton of different things then yes, that is being forced. It is, quite literally, the definition of being forced.
It's not. We've required vaccines and inoculations for certain jobs for the entire history of this country, starting with George Washington's army.
I promise I don’t enjoy being a [penis], I like you and have no problem whatsoever with you, but what the actual [uck fay]. You’re smarter than this. Read! What you posted has no bearing or relevance to what I said. You seem to be conflating forced with not having a choice. Just because you have a choice to not do X doesn’t mean you weren’t forced to do X if you do. The argument you think you’re making / need to be making explicitly is that the force was justified. A lot of reasonable would support that argument, a lot of people reasonable people would also oppose it. This is where a lot of the animosity comes from. There is a lot of ammunition out there in terms of public statements from public health officials, government, media, etc as well as facts we know now but did not at the time (including things trusted sources of information DID know) that could lead any reasonable person to have a lot of doubts. Forced Adjective 1) compelled by force or necessity 2) done or produced with effort, exertion, or pressure
