COVID-19 (artist formerly known as Wuhan strain novel Corona virus)

Quote where I said that.

 

You posted directly to me "i have a feeling if you got it, youd go about your normal business."
Deny it or deflect. Who cares.

 

And now the Chy-Na Flu has brother fighting brother.

Sad.

 

Yes, yes, yes....we need less open and transparent discussions. We can’t possibly trust these laymen to responsibly ascertain the intricate and dynamic mysteries of scientific conversation.

Get [uck fay]ed.

 

I recall seeing 14-17 days on plastic and metal.

CDC, IIRC.

 

If you can detect his physical strength by his written word, you’re wasting your time posting on a message board.

 

Its Caillou and a given.

 

The peer review process was never secret. What's new, is this race to be first to broadly publish your study result as fact when it hasn't had a chance to be reviewed or replicated. It's essentially the scientific equivalent of news networks being the first to "break a story" with absolutely no fact checking or any idea if its accurate. These studies (which could be accurate, somewhat accurate, or completely inaccurate we have no idea since they've not been reviewed or replicated) then get broadly disseminated over social media as fact when its anything but. To compound the issue, those un-reviewed studies are then selectively picked up by the 24 hour news articles to fit each of their agendas providing the confirmation bias that their respective viewership desperately craves.

In this thread people are [itch bay]ing that the scientific response is changing and evolving over time. I see that as a good thing, it means we're learning and reacting. Any scientist that isn't open to the idea that they are wrong and willing to re-evaluate their views when presented with new evidence isn't a scientist to begin with. We're currently on the 3rd step of a long division problem and we have a bunch of Karens saying the people working the problem are full of shit because the answer keeps changing as they fill in the next decimal point.

If Joe Sixpack walked up to you off the street and started telling you how to do your job and how terrible you were at, you'd probably tell him he didn't know what the [uck fay] he was talking about and ignore him. Now realize that you are that person in every single subject outside of where you regularly operate in. You are an idiot. It doesn't mean you can't learn it over time, it doesn't mean that learning some things won't take longer than others. But in that first moment of seeing something for the first time, you are complete and utter dumb [uck fay] in that area. Americans and the world were complete dumb [uck fay]s in epidemiology 2.5 months ago. We're largely still complete dumb [uck fay]s in that area today. The difference is some of us have the self awareness to realize this while others don't.

With that as the backdrop, let's talk about seeing science in action. I watch the debates and discussions and realize I understand only a tiny fraction of what is being discussed. When it comes Exponential growth, R0, the high level statistics, and a few other components, I understand well enough to follow the conversation. When the conversations starts delving into how COVID kills people, the shape of the enzyme (is this even the right word?), how/why it spreads, etc. I don't know shit. Just because I understand a tiny fraction doesn't mean I'm remotely qualified to ascertain the validity or invalidity of discussions and view points. So that where I stop. I watch the discussions from afar with interest without pretending to really understand it. Other people google a few terms and legitimately feel (or at least act) like they too are experts in the field. I can only assume these are the same people that google having a cough on WebMD and conclude they have cancer. Societally we lack the humility and hubris to admit we don't know and have this innate compulsion to always be right. So its not so much the discussions happening on twitter that's a problem, but Karen not realizing she's a Karen when linking to a tweet saying "see we all still need to be hiding in our homes", or "see its just the flu". I have to trust that collectively the experts in each field will arrive at the correct conclusions.

You paying?

 

Lumber you got it wrong about [itch bay]ing about changes as we learn more. The world death odometer based off misleading or bad info was a scare tactic that too many fell for. That was one of my main points at the time.
People took Faucis every word as accurate and if you disagreed with him you were the problem. People believed cdc and WHO as well.
Some of us out here didnt, and also thought there was more to it from the beginning than a random oops i ate a rancid bat incident. Having a different opinion causes problems for a couple who cant handle it and turn into male Karens

 

So, a more elaborate way of saying that there should be less transparency and discussion because Joe Sixpack can’t possibly be trusted with evolving scientific theory.

How do you think Joe Sixpack will ever learn?

Hint: “Because scientists / experts say so” sure as shit doesn’t seem to be working for [uck fay] all.

See: Climate Change, vaccinations, homeopathic medicines, alternative energies, etc.

Poor old Joe Sixpack.

Get [uck fay]ed x 2.*


* Have TennTra check my math, as I’m no scientist.

 

The precision with the added . after the 2 was key to the message.

 

I‘m going to need an English Major and a Content Specialists to help me interpret your post, because in absence of their help, I may write a Facebook post that you’re advocating for having sex with chickens.

 

Joe Sixpack can learn, but he usually does not want to. He only wants to latch on to the studies that support his belief. THAT is the problem. He doesn't want to learn, he only wants to be verified. And sadly, too many studies that Joe Sixpack latches on to are the ones that end up being debunked over time, and then Joe Sixpack just says that it's all a big conspiracy when it's proven false.

 

Note the date of article, and here is the first few bits:

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih...ests-new-coronavirus-may-remain-surfaces-days

Note, "detectable." This was understood by lay people on social media to be synonymous with being infectious, but that isn't what they said.

The guidance has remained as above, regarding surfaces, though case histories indicate that all known transmission events have been close personal proximity/contact. Of course, it would be very circumstantial to know something was definitely surface transmission and not personal proximity/contact and there are "unknowns".

I searched for terms involving 14 and 17 days. The only results are coverage of the cruise ship study float mentioned, regarding viral RNA being detectable up to 17 days:

https://www.infectioncontroltoday.c...covid-19-stays-undisinfected-surfaces-17-days

This is not a claim of transmissible virus being present for 17 days. This highlights why we all need to be careful about bypassing the scientific process and subject experts. Shit is complicated. We don't need to Butch our way through this. There is actually no contradictions on this matter, even though one has now been perceived and the Ssmiffs has decreed Dr. Fauci to be an idiot. It's just nuanced and complicated. Of course anyone can understand it given enough time and effort, but it is going to take some work to get up to speed for most of us, and there is probably a point where that becomes impractical (like getting into biochemical interactions, etc) for those of us not in the field and we have to decide whether we should accept the experts, change jobs, or wallow in decision-making made in admitted ignorance.

At some point they'll probably be able to dial in on more specifics about surfaces and infection risks, and it may be something inside of the time frames above. It may be that with more replication of studies, the final picture is different, or really complex. That's the process. The information above is what they know now, and they are actually pretty explicit about what the limitations are on what they know. They explicitly state that they are talking about "detection," and aren't able to draw conclusions on transmission yet. These articles are dated and archived. They haven't changed. This is what was said in March and the current guidance reflects this same information, as well as a clarification about the recent information about transmission being mostly person to person so far as they know, another couple months in to this thing being around and able to be studied outside of China.

The CDC has made mistakes, but they are not China. They are accountable to you. You or your congressional reps and President are over their shoulder, now more than ever. For all of the disagreements in America, our government is not an autocracy and thank our lucky stars, God, and/or the sacrifices of our forefathers for that. If they are wrong, they will be corrected. That's what science does and that is what free, elected government does.

 

I watched the "Behind the Curve" documentary on Netflix about flat earthers yesterday. Society mocking the Joe Sixpacks with kooky conspiracies has led to insular coolers filled with Joe Sixpacks. Their thinking is often a misapplication of scientific process coupled with a deep-seeded distrust of authority. While demonstrating why flat earth theory was wrong, the doc also is chastising of the mockery towards the group at the same time. Pretty interesting.

Not sure how we address it. Seems to be a natural feedback of the information age.

 

"It's all about the Money"
We know that FED aid was going to happen, but how much?
If this site has the facts, the numbers are huge.
This link shows the distribution per state per case that was established in April.
State-by-state breakdown of federal aid per Chy-Na Flu case
https://www.beckershospitalreview.c...eakdown-of-federal-aid-per-covid-19-case.html
This link from earlier this month, shows the actual distribution per state.
How much federal Chy-Na Flu aid are hospitals getting? A state-by-state analysis
https://www.beckershospitalreview.c...pitals-getting-a-state-by-state-analysis.html
It will be interesting to see if this will make Medicare and Medicaid Fraud look juvenile.

 

Interesting thing about that aerosol stuff is that they used a sort of vortex to keep the aerosols suspended for three hours. In that ideal scenario, the virus could live in the air for 3 hours. A lot of people took that to mean any cough produces a 6 foot radius spherical virus death trap for 3 hours.

 

1. The majority of the site has allowed that there could be another origin explanation for COVID-19.

2. You're leaving out about 100 insane theories that you put out there over the last few months.

 

I'm not completely up to date on the timing, but I know the initial payments had nothing to do with number of cases treated and was just divided up based on historical medicare billing. Are these numbers only reflective of that payment?

 

The man who tweeted this and wrote the article died of COVID-19 today.