The gall of conspiracy theorists knows no bounds in suggesting that mail-in ballots were illegally harvested and returned in New Haven, CT:
White House provides 380+ pages of Voter Fraud, a majority of which involve mail-in voting, sourced info, criminal convictions, etc. The conspiracy grows! Link: https://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/whitehouse.gov/files/docs/pacei-voterfraudcases.pdf
Without getting into the should or should not of mail in voting for the entire election, there is a significant difference between absentee voting registration which is a much smaller number of voters and mail in voting for the those that access to voting at their residence. One being the sheer volume and checks that would have to go into it for those states that currently don’t it.
What do you say that we put a system in place where people whose job has them located a thousand miles from their home state can vote by mail. Oh wait; we already have that.
Is it a conspiracy that there are 100k illegals registered to vote in PA? As soon as they self-report being illegal allowed to vote, we rescind their ability to illegally vote. Link: https://www.americanthinker.com/blo...izens_registered_to_vote_in_pennsylvania.html
If anyone suggests that the State of California would send 83 ballots to a single address, you know it’s just a conspiracy. Link: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...shipped-single-address-apartment-complex.html
This is not an accurate claim. The number comes from there being 112% of active voters on the rolls, because inactive voters can still be registered eligible voters. Inactive voters can only be removed from rolls under specific circumstances. https://www.sandiegouniontribune.co...eligible-adults-claim-20170809-htmlstory.html This was reported in early 2018: https://elections.cdn.sos.ca.gov/ror/154day-stwddirprim-2018/historical-reg-stats.pdf Which is why the Trump election commission disbanded without finding any significant fraud: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/03/us/politics/trump-voter-fraud-commission.html This is a great example of the bullshit conspiracy stuff that has poisoned the discourse in this country. It was already circulated, investigated, and found to be baseless. And now it is being recycled so that true believers such as yourself can get up in arms about it.
In considering any future issues if you consider whatever is self serving, administering chaos to determine a favorable outcome you discovered the next lib move.
Self-serving, like opposing mail-in voting because of the usual fears of Republicans that more people being able to vote equals losing more elections? Which is why voter IDs, opposing mail in voting (both with studies showing concerns are baseless), voter suppression (found in a court of law) and limiting voter booths and locations in urban environs (i.e. Democrat areas) is a high priority within the party. It's hardly concealed. Does this mean the conservative "move" is to limit the number of voters as much as possible?
Why keep ineligible voters registered, IP? No matter the red herrings of when it was first reported, why or how it’s happened, the fact remains that there are 12% more registered voters than citizens in LA County. That’s 12% of ballots that could be cast, and shouldn’t be, and I’m not as willing to so easily dismiss that rather basic reality. I’ve already linked a 380+ page list of voter fraud cases, all cited, almost all including criminal convictions - and which was largely founded on the Commission’s work. Here, I’ll link it again: https://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/whitehouse.gov/files/docs/pacei-voterfraudcases.pdf Would you like to start on Page 1, and we’ll work the list from there?
I wish you gave the same latitude to loaded guns as you do uncast ballots. That they lack the logic / safeguards to prevent sending 83 ballots to the same address should be telling. How many other times or places has this happened, and wasn’t reported? Are you asserting that the number is “zero”? And that those ballots could be cast - and counted - is the larger point that you’re conveniently missing. Mailing ballots to every citizen is rife with problems, and fraught with the possibility of error and abuse - just as Trump and the GOP are correctly saying.
We can look at pictures of hundreds of people with loaded guns storming capitol buildings in the last month. I'm asserting that you are so far 0 for 83 (0%) on duplicate ballots being used for fraudulent voting. I am not missing your larger point, you are failing to demonstrate how this means some voters should not have the same level of access as others. If you are arguing that EVERYONE gets the same opportunity- same distance to the polls, same lines, same number of voters per machine, just say so. I hear you wringing your hands about letting people in other states have the same access as people in, say, Utah already have. The current system is already fraught with "the possibility of error and abuse" then by your own logic. Just in places or ways you don't mind. Hundreds of thousands of cast votes disappeared in Georgia, with no paper trail, for example.
Eligible inactive voters, not ineligible. Which part was a red herring? A document straight from the Heritage Foundation. This wasn't founded on the commission's work, it was based on the Heritage Foundation's work and says so on the last page. I encourage everyone to look through the 300 plus page document which has one incident per page, exhaustively listing every conviction over the last 20+ years. It drives home how manufactured this "fraught" case is. A vote denied is equal to a fraudulent vote, and there are far more votes denied through limiting access to the vote in precincts that are considered to be the wrong demographic.
There have been cases of voter fraud. Some of them were mail-related. Most of them are not. To definitely eliminate voter fraud, we would have to not vote.
