2nd/3rd Year Rule

Discussion in 'Vols Football' started by NorrisAlan, Oct 21, 2023.

  1. Indy

    Indy Pronoun Analyst

    So do we see Nico soon? This loss pretty much sealed our ceiling for the season. Surely we will get Nico some experience this year so he isn’t coming in completely new next season?
     
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  2. Duckman

    Duckman Chieftain

    The really telling years with Heupel will be years 4 and 5, IMO. As much as I want to hype up expectations this season was by and large always a bridge year.

    Yesterday made me want to vomit and still sucks the morning after, but realistically I think 5-2 is a reasonable record for this point in the season given the outlook most were giving in the pre-season. It just sucks that the two losses on the schedule have been the games that have mattered most.

    I have no idea how the rest of the year plays out. We have to win next week if we are going to salvage anything, though.
     
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  3. justingroves

    justingroves supermod

    The second option he ran where he had gained a few yards but chest passed it backwards to Wright was awful
     
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  4. Duckman

    Duckman Chieftain

    Just another example in a long line of awareness problems. It's as big an issue, if not bigger, than the accuracy problems he tends to exhibit.
     
  5. Ssmiff

    Ssmiff Went to the White House...Again

    yeah that was a a scared move. Don’t really like option left call to short side of the field. Not sure I’ve seen us run it all year. If we can call that, we should be able to sneak
     
  6. VanJake

    VanJake Joe Milton Fan Club President

    both games would have been Ws with an accurate throwing QB.
    The most desirable trait for a QB BTW.
     
  7. Indy

    Indy Pronoun Analyst

    Fair to say that we are likely 7-0 if Hooker was still on the team and healthy? That’s how I feel.
     
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  8. cpninja

    cpninja Member

    How the 5 currently active national championship coaches did in year 2/3 at their schools(plus a couple more):

    Saban @ LSU:
    10-3 SEC champ
    8-5 division champ

    Mack Brown @ Texas:
    9-5 won division
    9-3 2nd in division

    Saban @ Bama:
    12-2 division champ
    14-0 SEC, national champ

    Chizik @ [uck fay] Auburn:
    8-5 4th in division
    14-0 SEC, national champ

    Jimbo @ FSU:
    9-4 2nd in division
    12-2 ACC champ

    Dabo @ Clemson:
    9-5 division champ
    6-7 4th in division

    Urban @ OSU:
    12-2 division champ
    14-1 B1G, national champ

    Orgeron @ LSU:
    9-4 3rd in division
    10-3 2nd in division

    Kirby @ UGA:
    13-2 SEC champ
    11-3 division champ

    "year 2 or 3" seems pretty important if your coach is going to be one of the greats and win multiple national titles but then again the list of guys with any titles in the last 15 years could fit on a post-it note so I don't know that I'd be blowing it up and starting over in year 3 every time if my guy isnt a champ by then. Would be interesting to see all the guys who won division/conferences in year 2-3 but never went any farther. Just on the extremely small amount of unique national champs I'd imagine that list is much, much longer but idk
     
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  9. dknash

    dknash Chieftain

    Last year's offense + this year's defense = 14-0, IMO. Maybe even just last year's team.

    Michigan and Washington are my two potential remaining non-frauds based on last year's level of college football, and we don't know anything about Michigan other than they feel like they need to cheat.
     
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  10. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    I think we can safely rule out that Heupel will have a Kirby Smart or Saban-like run. This is similar to me ruling out that I will be 6'5. I don't know how it helps us to dwell on it. This was also a worse situation than most of these coaches walked into.
     
  11. zehr27

    zehr27 8th's VIP

    He could have a Dabo type run though and I will be good with that.
     
  12. PilotFlyingJ

    PilotFlyingJ Chieftain

    Neither of those guys come in here in 2021 and have the same level of success that Heupel has.
     
  13. KyleAlexanderfan

    KyleAlexanderfan Well-Known Member

    We just lost too many from year 2 for me to judge him off of whatever year 3 rule there is. There’s still some big gaps in the roster. Year 4 could be an issue as well if we don’t hit on the right transfer portal guys. If we had retained Golesh another year and had anyone other than Milton we might be looking at back to back 11 win seasons.
     
  14. Tar Volon

    Tar Volon Me Blog @RockyTopTalk.com



    Saban went 10-3 (8-3 regular season) in year two at LSU
     
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  15. Poppa T

    Poppa T Vol Geezer

    I think I have come to the POV that Milton's in-game decision making inability and lack of awareness would not have mattered if Golesh were here.

    Maybe it would. Maybe it wouldn't. I don't know. But I tend to appreciate a HC that will support upward mobility of his staff at the expense of his own challenges.
     
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  16. ptclaus98

    ptclaus98 Contributor

    The year 2/3 rule only applies to finding out if you've certainly hired the wrong coach. I think the only thing that we know about Heupel is that he's not gonna lead us onto dynastic success. But that's not a reason to even have him on the hot seat for next year, even if we end up 7-5(we won't). I hope he is here a long time, and that Rodney Garner is here with him a long time.
     
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  17. Volgrad98

    Volgrad98 Contributor

    Once the roster levels out and we don't have to replace so many on one side or the other, then I think we get to see what CH and staff are all about. We've definetly have gotten a glimse but I want to see what his teams look like with some depth on both sides of the ball. We're close.

    If anyone is clammoring to get rid of CH now or anytime soon, they're stupid. IMO of course.
     
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  18. DC Vol

    DC Vol Contributor

    And the SEC as a whole was pretty marginal at best at the time.

    Tennessee was on it's way out. Spurrier was in his last year at Florida. Georgia was what they would always be under Richt.

    And the West wasn't great either. Tuberville, outside of an odd 11-win season was an 8/9-win coach.


    That was a much easier situation to go into.
     
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  19. CardinalVol

    CardinalVol Uncultured, non-diverse mod

  20. NorrisAlan

    NorrisAlan Founder of the Mike Honcho Fan Club

    Just to be clear, I am in no way advocating for a coaching change.
     

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