2019-2020 Season

Discussion in 'Keith Hatfield Memorial Vols Hoops' started by Indy, Mar 29, 2019.

  1. utvol0427

    utvol0427 Chieftain

    Just wait until we barely hit .500 this season.
     
  2. Tenacious D

    Tenacious D The law is of supreme importance, or no importance

    It’s unimaginable that this should occur any more frequently than once every 15 years or so, when you’ve got the third highest paid coach in the country.

    There are 1,000 coaches who we could pay half of Bruin Barnes’ salary, and who could make 2 out of 5 tournaments.

    Those second round and Sweet 16 games aren’t just going to lose themselves.
     
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  3. Tenacious D

    Tenacious D The law is of supreme importance, or no importance

    Also, and to be fair, I think you’re failing to fully realize the dominant force that Yves Pons and John Fulkerson will undoubtedly rise to be next year.

    If each are really, REALLY coached up and spend hundreds of off-season hours in the gym this off-season, I think we can expect each to double their production next season, meaning, they’ll make it to the second dribble before bouncing it off their own feet, and out of bounds. Of course, this assumes that they’ll actually catch the ball, once passed to them.

    A man can dream, can’t he?

    This is exactly why you make Bruin Barnes the third highest paid coach - for the continuous stockpiling of elite talent, such as this.
     
  4. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    Pons is an athlete and came in fairly highly rated. it is a an n of 1, but I would think a top 5 coach can get him into some sort of all conference performance level.
     
  5. Tenacious D

    Tenacious D The law is of supreme importance, or no importance

    The 10th highest paid coach should be able to start my fat, old ass at point, and win .500 games.

    The 3rd highest paid coach shouldn’t get caught in any situation where he’ll need to rely on me, or anything less than elite talent, short of any scenario that doesn’t also involve a meteor hitting the earth.
     
  6. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    We'd sweep the Mole men and meet the California Wasteland Tech Mutants in the conference title game for sure, in post-meteor NCAA basketball.

    Of course, after several years of continuous winter from the dust, even those squads will be gone and the NCAA will be forced to grant eligibility to the cockroaches, while waiting for higher life to once again evolve. Bama will hang a lot of banners in that time.
     
  7. Indy

    Indy Pronoun Analyst

    Someone on TOOS was saying something about us bringing in a transfer PG once Bone confirms he's staying in. I think the line of thought was that he'd have to sit a year, and I didn't see mention of a waiver request.
     
  8. Ssmiff

    Ssmiff Went to the White House...Again

    Believe I may skip hoops forum next year. Goodness.
     
  9. Tenacious D

    Tenacious D The law is of supreme importance, or no importance

    Surely Bruin Barnes, being the third highest paid coach, understands that he needs help next season, and has been preparing for exactly this easily foreseeable eventuality.
     
  10. Indy

    Indy Pronoun Analyst

    The Plavsic kid is going the hardship waiver route. He’s the more immediate need for next year. The PG would be available the following year after we lose Turner and Bowden, which is when we will need him.

    Honestly, the fact that Barnes has replaced each departure with someone new almost immediately after the departure became known shows that he’s been prepared. But that’s assuming he does get the PG transfer and that his replacements pan out.
     
  11. justingroves

    justingroves supermod

    All this wailing and [itch bay]ing, this will be the Final Four team
     
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  12. Tenacious D

    Tenacious D The law is of supreme importance, or no importance

    How would you compare last year’s starting five, versus next year’s?

    And then, what about the same for bench players?

    Finally, do you think that either Pons or Fulkerson are SEC-caliber players, and if not, when do you hope they might be?
     
  13. MettaWorldPeace

    MettaWorldPeace Contributor

    Fan heat, not administration heat.
     
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  14. VOLinDAWGland

    VOLinDAWGland Contributor

    Personally I prefer to actually experience failure before [itch bay]ing. Preemptive [itch bay]ing just makes me feel bad for no good reason. Try a little living in the moment people.
     
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  15. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    I don't see how it is [itch bay]ing to celebrate the peace of mind that stems from having a top 5 coach.
     
  16. Ssmiff

    Ssmiff Went to the White House...Again

    Its comical. Coming off most wins in program history, possibly 3 nba draft picks, none of which were expected to ever be drafted when signed. A 5* coming in. Trying to fill spots and snag a 7'1 kid with D1 experience, and a good coach here for awhile.
    Anybody with any basketball sense already knew next year was going to be tough losing what we are losing, and still early into building a consistent program to boot. Hopefully the staff can develop as they did with their first group of players and they play some good ball. Add in a couple 5* talent coming in and who knows.
    Basketball is about pieces, parts and role players. If the team has shooters at 1-4 (Pember and Kent are stretch 4s and 5s, which we havent had and they are open at the key in Barnes offense), a couple of big guys, and the 5* plays with an edge, they can compete.
    Barnes gets paid enough to make it happen. Defense will be the deciding factor and should improve.
     
  17. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    Year 5 is early into building a consistent program? How many years do you figure is reasonable? How many years do you think Barnes will continue working?
     
  18. Ssmiff

    Ssmiff Went to the White House...Again

    3 years removed from picked next to last in preseason SEC. We havent enough experience and depth yet to handle the surprise success of losing Bone and Grant early. I dont have a timeframe. Need to see how development goes this year and judge Barnes on how they play and look, while considering how they would had Grant and Bone still been here as planned a year ago. Replacing successful underclassmen is foreign to our program and Barnes has to get transfers and recruit immediate impact players to help.
    I dont know how long he will coach. I imagine he is here until he quits or is fired. If he has a bad year next year and decides thats it for some reason, so be it. I dont care. Hes a gym rat though.
     
  19. Unimane

    Unimane Kill "The Caucasian"

    "3 years removed from picked next to last in the preseason SEC". I haven't the faintest idea why you keep referencing this useless and irrelevant factoid, which is now at some odd "3 years removed" stage. Barnes is, beyond any reason, getting paid as a top 5 coach, despite having his team even in the top 16 only once in the last decade. As a result, there are certain expectations.

    Now, I'm willing to cut him some slack next year if his 2020 recruiting class pans out the way it appears to be (Although, I'm not sure why he's using scholarships on ok transfers instead of preserving them for the stud recruits on the radar, but that's his deal.). As you noted, there are fluctuations. But, his recruiting of lower level talent he can coach up hasn't worked out as well in recent classes and he should be expected to make the tournament, as a minimal goal, each season. I'm not going to complain preemptively, but I have my expectations set at what the admin should for this upcoming season, in my opinion.
     
  20. Ssmiff

    Ssmiff Went to the White House...Again

    It was in response to IPs question about it being yr 5, so yes we were a bottom of the sec program 3 years ago. It's perspective. Some have it and some don't.
     

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