You know he was on the board of a holding company right? Not involved with operations, but on the board, of a holding company. And he has worked for holding companies in the past, but even that experience isn't necessary, just his general investment background is sufficient to sit in the board of a holding company, as all the board is concerned with is the holding company's investment position. He was skilled enough. He got it because of his father, but he was still skilled enough.