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Discussion in 'The Thunderdome' started by kidbourbon, Mar 19, 2015.

  1. bigpapavol

    bigpapavol Chieftain

    Who the hell decides ear pleasing?
     
  2. A-Smith

    A-Smith Chieftain

    The human race. I meant that term ear pleasing loosely. People have pretty much come up with a consensus of what is and what is not musical. I may not like Gregorian chants or death metal but I recognize them both as musical --as opposed to the sound of fingers on a chalk board or a dog with his toe caught in a barbed wire fence.
     
  3. kidbourbon

    kidbourbon Well-Known Member

    Yes
     
  4. kidbourbon

    kidbourbon Well-Known Member

    I was thinking about this after I wrote it and I think it might be less than theoretically infinite if you put a time limit on the song -- and no I didn't listen to Norris' video (dude said something in the first few seconds that made me roll my eyes) -- but the "there's a limited number of notes and thus a limited number of songs" is silly. That's not how ears work. They aren't limited like that. That type of question might answer how many songs you coud make on a piano using only the piano.

    An actual number would require the number of
    discrete frequencies the ear can hear, how many simultaneously, and how sensitive they are on the time scale. You could limit the song to a half minute and you're still looking at a nigh incalculable number (though perhaps less than theoretically infinite).
     
  5. JohnnyQuickkick

    JohnnyQuickkick Calcio correspondent

    i never said or thought "limited number of notes" translates to "limited number of songs".

    what makes an artist an artist is the ability to take what we've all heard before, and make it something we haven't, if that makes sense.

    but it's inevitable when songwriters write songs, that a similar melody here, the exact same chord progression there, is going to get used again.

    technically, any chord can be put at any spot in a song, but putting a g-flat diminished chord in a song in C major is most likely* going to sound terrible.

    *i guess it's possible that it wouldn't, but it would be an extremely strange occurrence.
     
  6. JohnnyQuickkick

    JohnnyQuickkick Calcio correspondent

    technically, kidB, i think we're on the same coin, at least, though we might be heads/tails
     
  7. kidbourbon

    kidbourbon Well-Known Member

    Could be the sound that makes you poop yourself.
     
  8. NorrisAlan

    NorrisAlan Founder of the Mike Honcho Fan Club


    You do agree the human ear has only so many notes it can distinguish? And we can only distinguish notes at a certain tempo before it all just becomes white noise, correct? And if we limit our songs to something reasonable, say 4 minutes, that there can only be so many ways to arrange said songs so that they are discernible from one another, correct?

    Can we hear every possible variation in a single lifetime? Of course not. Humans don't live that long. But that is not the question. It is purely a theoretical question with an answer, but one that we don't have to worry about placing into practice.

    Btw, KidB, what did Michael from Vsauce say that made you roll your eyes? I am interested to hear.
     
  9. kidbourbon

    kidbourbon Well-Known Member

    Invol did.
     
  10. kidbourbon

    kidbourbon Well-Known Member

    It's like you didn't read what I wrote.
     
  11. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    If you think a song is different because it is played on tortoise shells instead of a piano, I'm not sure what could be said to you on this matter that would be anything but a waste of time.
     
  12. kidbourbon

    kidbourbon Well-Known Member

    I listened to the first few minutes. His approach isn't bad. It's actually similar to the one I described in the post that it was like you didn't even read. Not sure what I rolled my eyes at initially. He's not so bad after all.
     
  13. InVolNerable

    InVolNerable Fark Master Flex

    I said there were limited number of ways to arrange the finite number of notes. Which there are.

    I said nothing of tempo, volume, etc. Just arrangement. Don't argue like droski.
     
  14. kidbourbon

    kidbourbon Well-Known Member

    This post really added a lot to the conversation. Thanks IP.
     
  15. kidbourbon

    kidbourbon Well-Known Member

    Below the belt.
     
  16. kidbourbon

    kidbourbon Well-Known Member

    I'm about to post two songs. Do they have the same melody? Are they the same song?
     
  17. kidbourbon

    kidbourbon Well-Known Member

    [video=youtube;qybUFnY7Y8w]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qybUFnY7Y8w[/video]
     
  18. kidbourbon

    kidbourbon Well-Known Member

    [video=youtube;TnBcFZZowAI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnBcFZZowAI[/video]
     
  19. kidbourbon

    kidbourbon Well-Known Member

    Now listen to this one.

    [video=youtube;amGI5T0JGDc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amGI5T0JGDc[/video]
     
  20. NorrisAlan

    NorrisAlan Founder of the Mike Honcho Fan Club

    All reggae music sounds alike to me.
     

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