Mathematics

Discussion in 'The Thunderdome' started by NorrisAlan, Nov 7, 2017.

  1. NorrisAlan

    NorrisAlan Founder of the Mike Honcho Fan Club

    Why is the time changing? I don't know where you are getting this. It is a static time. Each step takes one whole day.

    yes, % wise compared to the total, the % goes to zero over infinity, but the actual length of each step is 1 day, no more no less.

    Your same logic would mean that in a finite series

    step1 : 1 hour
    step2 : 1 hour

    would mean

    step1 : 1 hour/2
    step2: 1 hour/2

    I am really surprised you are making this logical leap.
     
  2. NorrisAlan

    NorrisAlan Founder of the Mike Honcho Fan Club

    You will get your daily dose of mathematics and like it, son.
     
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  3. reVOLt

    reVOLt Contributor

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  4. fl0at_

    fl0at_ Humorless, asinine, joyless pr*ck

    Time is moving forward toward infinity. It can never get there, otherwise it wouldn't be infinite. So proportionally the amount of time it took to do a single thing goes to zero. So from the perspective of infinite, it is zero. That isn't a logical leap, that's just logic.

    And if the proportion is zero, then the thing that made it up must be zero. That isn't a leap. That's also logic.

    Thus the sum of all of those things would be zero. If in, fact, the proportion (%) is zero.

    But if it is just very, very small, then it is still infinite.
     
  5. fl0at_

    fl0at_ Humorless, asinine, joyless pr*ck

    There is an ignore feature. It costs like $10. Or $10 in pounds, whatever that is. I have not bought it. And now I never will.

    Posts per page not really supported. The way Xenforo does paging, is built into the URL. If we changed how many posts were on each page, it would break all the URLs.
     
  6. reVOLt

    reVOLt Contributor

    Thank you for your quick and pointed response; also thank you for forever forcing me to see the Mathematics thread as I'm 99.99999999% sure you guys are never coming to an agreement.
     
  7. NorrisAlan

    NorrisAlan Founder of the Mike Honcho Fan Club

    But using my finite example, you would never say that the task that took you 1 hour to complete yesterday really only took 1/2 hour because proportionally it is half of the total time.
     
  8. reVOLt

    reVOLt Contributor

    Well, since I continue to see this thread, I'll make a contribution, although I won't be able to debate it... will just leave it up to the nerds.

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  9. NorrisAlan

    NorrisAlan Founder of the Mike Honcho Fan Club

    yessss...let the hate flow
     
  10. fl0at_

    fl0at_ Humorless, asinine, joyless pr*ck

    Welcome to the 8th. Visit regularly. We're especially fun in the off season.

    This is also an exact word for word debate we had .. 4 years ago? But as I said, welcome to the ocho.
     
  11. fl0at_

    fl0at_ Humorless, asinine, joyless pr*ck

    Using proportions.

    1
    _ = 0
    inf


    1 = (inf) * 0



    1 = 0
     
  12. Daddy Gee

    Daddy Gee Chieftain

    One of you math pros throw another topic(s) on the fire here so we don't have to think about the coaching search all day....
     
  13. NorrisAlan

    NorrisAlan Founder of the Mike Honcho Fan Club

    ∑n (n 1 -> ∞) = 1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + ... = -1/12
     
  14. Ssmiff

    Ssmiff Went to the White House...Again

    5
     
  15. Daddy Gee

    Daddy Gee Chieftain

    Spent the last hour or more listening to youtubes about that

     
  16. NorrisAlan

    NorrisAlan Founder of the Mike Honcho Fan Club

    What is really bizarre is that when physicists use that sum it gives the correct outcome of their calculations.
     
  17. chef65

    chef65 Contributor

    With more beaing ascertained about the intelligence of animals (e.g. crows), I think we will soon realize that math is the primary factor separating us from our relatives.

    It's also, IMO, the branch of academics that separates the wheat from the chaff. It's a good thing that doctors, for example, have to demonstrate proficiency. And I say this as someone who wanted to be a doctor but couldn't hack it in high school calculus.
     
  18. NorrisAlan

    NorrisAlan Founder of the Mike Honcho Fan Club

    What is division? It is really just an iteration of subtraction.


    1|2 is the same as saying

    2-1= 1

    1-1= 0

    So therefore the answer for 1|2 is 1r0. Traditionally. Because traditionally we stop when the remainder is less or equal to 0 and less than the divisor. But this is not the only way it can be done.


    1|2 can also be

    2-1 = 1 therefore the answer is 1r1.


    Or even

    1|2

    2-1= 1

    1-1=0

    0-1= -1


    So the answer to 1|2 is 3r(-1).


    All three answers are valid and viable and follow the same process.

    So a generalized program for division can be states as follows:


    Take q|p where q is the divisor and p is the dividend (read as p divided by q, or in fraction form p/q).

    The answer will be of the form b + a R c - aq where b is the number of subractions needed so that the remainder, c is 0 <= c < q, a is the number of steps after b we stop.


    Let us take our examples above, where our problem is 1|2


    Traditionally for all division we would set a = 0


    2-1=1

    1-1=0

    Answer: 2 + a R 0 + 1a = 2+0 R 0 + 1(0) = 2R0


    Let a = 1 (we will be going one more iteration than b into the process)

    2-1=1

    1-1=0

    0-1=-1

    Answer = 2 + 1 R 0 – (1)(1) = 3R(-1)


    Let a = -1 (we will be stopping one short of b in the process)

    2-1 = 1

    Answer: 2 + (-1) R 0 – (-1)(1) = 1R1


    We can verify this by doing the following:


    2/1 = 2 (the answer we get when a = 0)

    2/1 = 3 – 1 (same as a = 1)

    2/1 = 1 + 1 (same as a=-1)

    Normally when long division is done, we put everything in one set of columns:

    2

    1|2

    2

    ____

    0


    But this is unwieldy for any a != 0. Therefore, we will have one column for the division part (the subtraction) and one column for the outcome (the addition). In the left column we will show each iteration of subtraction with Z# where # is the number of the iteration. Left hand is the


    1|2 Z1 = 2

    Z1= 2

    __

    0


    Let’s try 1/2:


    2|1 .0 Z1=0

    Z1=0 Z2=.5

    ____ _____

    10 .5

    Z2=10

    ___

    0


    Here we see for Z1, 2 goes into 1 zero times. We subtract 0 from 1 and get 1 and bring down the 0 from the tenths place above. Z2, 2 goes into 10 5 times, and for the addition column we put this number in the tenths place of the decimal position because that is where the right most digit in the 10 was from. Add Z1 and Z2 and get the answer of .5, and since the remainder is 0<= r < divisor, we see that we stop.

    Alan, what is all this crap? Well, I am trying to explain what the next few pictures will show as the forum is not conducive to writing mathematical equations. And I am trying to provide an answer to a question that FlOat issued about showing a p/q such that the decimal expansion is .9…


    The first set pictures will show how 1/3 can be expanded using the method and it will provide .3… for each value of a given.


    The next pictures will show 1/1 and how if a >= 0, it will provide 1, if a < 0, it will provide .9…
     
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  19. NorrisAlan

    NorrisAlan Founder of the Mike Honcho Fan Club

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    NorrisAlan Founder of the Mike Honcho Fan Club

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