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  1. utvol0427

    utvol0427 Chieftain

    The best thing about the Potato Head issue is that the people that are pissed about removing the Mr/Mrs prefix are the same people that raise hell about being born with a [penis]/vag being what determines gender, yet they want a [uck fay]ing potato to be referred to as Mr./Mrs..
     
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  2. warhammer

    warhammer Chieftain

    Based on the descriptions, there are some racist things in the Seuss books. I can't say I've ever "read" any of them, and by them, I mean anything by Dr. Seuss. I know parts of Green Eggs and Ham, The Cat in the Hat, and others through popular culture and have seen two of three adapted versions of the Grinch, but actually read and seen the books? Maybe when I was a kid, but I didn't like them then for some reason and didn't read any to my kids for the same reason. They probably had some, but I don't recall them.

    One study CNN suggests these decisions came out of is an interesting read. I can't say that I agree with all of it, but there appears to be a lot of validity to the problems identified. One thing being overlooked a bit is that at least one of the books was revised in the 70s or 80s to eliminate some of the stereotypes, so this has been known for a long while.

    Here's a link to the study CNN seems to insinuate as having contributed to the decision.

    https://sophia.stkate.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1050&context=rdyl
     
  3. fl0at_

    fl0at_ Humorless, asinine, joyless pr*ck

    Green Eggs and Ham is a person not taking no for an answer, despite the other person saying no, no no no no no no.

    You should only have to say no once.
     
  4. Indy

    Indy Pronoun Analyst

    There are a ton of examples, in life, where "not taking no for an answer" is viewed as a positive trait.
     
  5. Indy

    Indy Pronoun Analyst

    Should Dr. Seuss have been removed from Read Across America?
     
  6. fl0at_

    fl0at_ Humorless, asinine, joyless pr*ck

    So? The fact that I can find racists doesn't make racism good.

    No means no. And peer pressure is not good. Later in life, after these lessons have been learned, should things like perseverance be taught.
     
  7. Indy

    Indy Pronoun Analyst

    I think with Shapiro, he takes issue because he sees it as a sort of "give an inch, take a mile" situation. He has made it very clear that the end game is what he fears, and he sees that end game as follows:

    You're a parent of a 12 year old biological male child who claims he is a girl and wants to transition. You, as the parent of the child, decide you want to take the "wait and see approach" to see if it's just a phase and if your child will grow out of it. After all, transitioning is a huge decision to make, and one that could potentially negatively impact the child's life moving forward, should they child decide it was a mistake later on. The government, however, deems this decision by you, a parent, about your own child, as a form of child abuse, which leads to your child being removed from your care.

    That's why Shapiro is planting a foot in the ground about a lot of this stuff that doesn't seem like a very big deal from the beginning - because he sees where the process is going, which he believes is the government eventually deciding they know how to raise your child better than you do.

    It's already playing out, to an extent, with the recent interaction (and media commentary) on the questions Rand Paul asked of Dr. Levine.
     
  8. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    Noted.
     
  9. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    Would you be open to learning more about green eggs and ham, and the purported properties and reviews of this meal?
     
  10. fl0at_

    fl0at_ Humorless, asinine, joyless pr*ck

    No.
     
  11. NorrisAlan

    NorrisAlan Founder of the Mike Honcho Fan Club

    That is a BIG [uck fay]ing leap by Mr. Shapiro.
     
  12. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    Eh, I think National Education Association made that decision because of the current national conversation. I would bet they reintroduce a selection of Dr. Seuss books once this national conversation winds down. I don't think Dr. Seuss is a required, fundamental text.
     
  13. emainvol

    emainvol Administrator

    That’s an average sized leap for Mr Shapiro, my friend
     
  14. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    Sweet, more for me. The rest of the book shall be me enjoying the meal in increasingly amusing and exotic situations.
     
  15. Indy

    Indy Pronoun Analyst

    Two days ago I had a customer ask me if they receive credit hours from going to our instrument training at our corporate headquarters. I asked one of my specialists, who immediately answered that no, they do not.

    I followed up internally with our training team, and they informed me that, actually, yes, they do receive credit hours, and a significant number of them, at that.

    The same specialist, who initially told me "no," lauded me for not taking no for an answer and pushing forward to uncover the truth. She says it's one of her favorite things about me - that I don't take no for an answer.

    Another example: We had a customer that everyone told me "never" signs 5 year agreements. I tried anyway, and, lo and behold, we locked them up for 5 years.

    I see no reason for why "no means no" and "peer pressure is not good" in certain situations can't be taught alongside why perseverance is a good thing.
     
  16. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    He has argued that gender is purely biological. Does a potato have a gender, biologically? By his own logic, it does not. By him arguing about this, he demonstrates that he actually knows gender is indeed a social construct for him to be arguing about Mr. and Mrs. Potato Head. He has confused gender and sex. And a potato has neither.
     
  17. cpninja

    cpninja Member

    It's slippery slope horseshit and everyone who peddles it knows it. Those people also know they lost the "culture war" on gay marriage(and gay rights in general)in the last decade and have moved onto trans issues to try the exact same bullshit. Every single person who peddles it should get a [uck fay]ing hobby that doesn't involve ruining the lives of people they dont know over issues they have zero knowledge on
     
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  18. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    Your examples don't really mesh with what he is talking about. In both examples, the "no" wasn't coming from the true subject of the request. You were elevating, not badgering.
     
  19. utvol0427

    utvol0427 Chieftain

    • Surely you realize the difference in repeatedly asking/pressuring someone to perform an action when being told no and asking a yes or no question and the answer being no.
     
  20. Indy

    Indy Pronoun Analyst

    Okay, another example.

    My fiance regularly avoids certain social situations because they make her nervous. She will avoid going to lunch with a friend or skip a zoom call with a group of friends because she talks herself up, in her mind, about how it's going to be a negative experience.

    I "peer pressure" her to give these interactions a chance - to go into them with an open mind, and that she might actually enjoy them. Sometimes she says no, and I continue to push, and eventually, she decides to attend the social situation.

    I can't tell you how many times she has thanked me for not letting her flake on these sorts of things. She has told me she loves the fact that I don't let her get away with her initial assumptions about certain events/interactions because it has led to her enjoying herself at a number of events/interactions that she wouldn't have even attended had I not pushed her to do so.

    Is that better?
     

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