POLITICS Our medical system is now a viral street gag

Discussion in 'Politicants' started by IP, Dec 3, 2019 at 6:38 PM.

  1. IP

    IP Advanced Pruitt Apologetics Bot

  2. Tenacious D

    Tenacious D The law is of supreme importance, or no importance

    For those Americans who can’t afford health care coverage, why don’t we just outsource the operation and cost to the UK and Canada?

    Isn’t healthcare a human right? Are those countries not for human rights?

    Or are they only for those human rights for those who live inside their “arbitrary” lines of national citizenry? Does that not count, here, in this case?

    Sort of like they outsource the costs of their national defense to me, and the American taxpayers?

    If universal state-run single-payor system will reduce the overall costs of healthcare, the amount they’ll be required to kick in would be exponentially lower than what we pay to maintain a military readiness over all of Europe.

    I think we’ve found a way to make this work, IP.
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  3. Volst53

    Volst53 Super Moderator

    How much should an ambulance ride or the staying in the hospital for childbirth cost?
  4. Tenacious D

    Tenacious D The law is of supreme importance, or no importance

    Well, if everyone could take an ambulance anywhere, anytime and someone else had to foot the bill - the ambulance system would then be so well-used as to become cheaper, as even a basic understanding of economics would show.

    I think if enough people rode ambulances, they actually start to produce money - and it just flies out behind it.

    But seriously, if we just outsourced the trillions of dollars of costs that our national defense requires to another country, we could all drive ambulances all day.
  5. fl0at_

    fl0at_ Humorless, asinine, joyless pr*ck

    An ambulance ride should cost a bit more than a taxi. It's a vehicle; you're paying for mileage and maintenance, plus the rate of the tech in the back at about... $35 an hour? I doubt the ride takes an hour. I guess the flashing lights add to the price?

    Staying in a hospital is trickier. There are at least 30 nurses ignoring you, so probably need to cover the daily cost of each, and then the linen.
  6. Volst53

    Volst53 Super Moderator

    I’m no fan of our healthcare system but it isn’t going to become cheaper or more efficient by adding more bureaucracy and bureaucrats running it.

    We’ve removed the consumer so far from the pricing and cost with so much red tape, regulations and other stuff. It’s amazing it isn’t even more screwed up.
  7. Volst53

    Volst53 Super Moderator

    With my three kids it was the other end of the spectrum with the nurses. They were in all the damn time making sure we weren’t giving our new little human Mountain Dew in a bottle or other stuff.
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  8. Tenacious D

    Tenacious D The law is of supreme importance, or no importance

    Everybody knows it’s straight Mountain Dew Code Red until 3rd birthday.
  9. Volst53

    Volst53 Super Moderator

    Baja blast for ours. That red dye makes them act crazy
  10. fl0at_

    fl0at_ Humorless, asinine, joyless pr*ck

    You have it backwards. The moment physicians stopped setting prices, and moved it into the hands of administrators, who passed it off to insurance companies, we got screwed up.

    The logic was that a physician shouldn't be hamstrung by the potential cost of a test or procedure, and should do all they can for the patient. But the irony became that, though while medically sound, it is not financially sound. While no medical harm has been done, financial harm has been done.

    The consumer has never set pricing for a medical procedure, because when you're having a MI... you can't really shop around.
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  11. fl0at_

    fl0at_ Humorless, asinine, joyless pr*ck

    Were you all the only ones there... because if not, well... those nurses couldn't be in two places at once.

    OR could they. Maybe that's why the cost...
  12. Volst53

    Volst53 Super Moderator

    What pushed the increase for administrative positions since they add little value to the overall system
  13. fl0at_

    fl0at_ Humorless, asinine, joyless pr*ck

    Physicians not wanting to know, or handle, the administration, and only wanting to focus on the practice of medicine.
  14. droski

    droski Traffic Criminal

    half of the parents of the kids in my kids’ nicu weren’t paying anything. Just come here illegally and it’s all free
  15. IP

    IP Advanced Pruitt Apologetics Bot

    if you want less bureaucracy, why would you support the current system?
  16. Volst53

    Volst53 Super Moderator

    I’m not a huge advocate for the current system. I’d love to see more open market ideas and competition in health care.
  17. Tenacious D

    Tenacious D The law is of supreme importance, or no importance

    *coughs nervously*
  18. zehr27

    zehr27 8th's VIP

    This is actually fairly accurate. imo
  19. Tenacious D

    Tenacious D The law is of supreme importance, or no importance

    This is the only answer.
    More competition, and not less.
    A single payor system of zero competition would be disastrous, on every level.
  20. justingroves

    justingroves supermod

    There's a very funny home video of my mother in law asking my then 3 year old brother in law if he wanted "anymore Sprite in his bottle".

    We give both of them hell over this.

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