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Discussion in 'Politicants' started by fl0at_, Jun 7, 2021.

  1. fl0at_

    fl0at_ Humorless, asinine, joyless pr*ck

    We know the biology of the vaccine though. So in that fashion, we do know the long term effects. Now, if we want to look at this like it's a computer application, there might be a "bug" somewhere along the biological pathway for the vaccine. But that's unlikely.
     
  2. droski

    droski Traffic Criminal

    right. it's extremely unlikely it's going to have major long term effects, but it's also extremely unlikely a kid under 5 will have a bad case of covid.
     
  3. fl0at_

    fl0at_ Humorless, asinine, joyless pr*ck

    Right, but the known risks are lower with the vaccine than without. Speculative risks, we can't measure, it's a crap shoot. So if we judge only the known risks, the vaccine reduces the risk.
     
  4. droski

    droski Traffic Criminal

    if the existing risk is basically zero, reducing said risk doesn't mean much IMO.
     
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  5. IP

    IP It's just business.

    While both are unlikely, they are not equally so and the math indicates vaccination is recommended.

    The long term effects of lipids and RNA? JFC, how would you escape that? These vaccines are not exotic in composition. If the vaccine is going to cause a problem, then covid would have too, and moreover. So then it becomes a matter of if one is going to ever be around other people. If so, the answer is vaccinate. It's math. It's not emotion or vague "unlikelies." If it ain't a bubble boy and they are cleared for the shot, they are better off with it.

    When you factor in herd immunity, it becomes a slam dunk.

    You do you, but don't pretend like it is logical to not do it. It is no more logical than not vaccinating for anything else.
     
  6. IP

    IP It's just business.

    That's mathematically not accurate. Neither risk is zero, and one is bigger than the other. That is a fact.
     
  7. droski

    droski Traffic Criminal

    uh the vaccine doesn't stop people from spreading or getting covid. that's been pretty much proven. getting the vaccine is to prevent bad outcomes which healthy kids under 5 have none.
     
  8. droski

    droski Traffic Criminal

    the chances of a healthy kid under 5 having a bad covid case are as close to zero as you can get.
     
  9. fl0at_

    fl0at_ Humorless, asinine, joyless pr*ck

    Not exactly. As close to zero as you can get is kid + vaccine.

    Which is kind of the point.
     
  10. IP

    IP It's just business.

    Uh, that's exactly why I said herd immunity and not immunity. How is this misconception still a thing?
     
  11. IP

    IP It's just business.

    False, the chances of a serious effect from a covid vaccine is closer to zero.
     
  12. droski

    droski Traffic Criminal

    how is the vaccine helping heard immunity if it doesn't stop or slow down transmission?
     
  13. IP

    IP It's just business.

    There should be a biology quiz to vote.
     
  14. droski

    droski Traffic Criminal

    close enough to zero to not bother with the vaccine
     
  15. droski

    droski Traffic Criminal

    we are talking decimal points here. not enough to make a difference.
     
  16. droski

    droski Traffic Criminal

    you man like the people who still believe getting vaccinated helps keep other people safer even though there is zero evidence that is true?
     
  17. IP

    IP It's just business.

    This is like saying the odds of winning any game are the same. There are plenty of studies that show this is not the case. Transmission rates and illness severity are less with vaccinated people.
     
  18. IP

    IP It's just business.

    What kind of evidence would persuade you?
     
  19. IP

    IP It's just business.

    In the context of human health, it's almost always decimal points.
     
  20. fl0at_

    fl0at_ Humorless, asinine, joyless pr*ck

    They're going to get older though, so, their risk is only going to compound.
     

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