Discussion in 'Politicants' started by fl0at_, Jun 7, 2021.
Gold bars from his wife's old friend given over lunch are just friendly gifts, too. Good grief.
Live look at his lawyers:
Is this Neidermeyers dad?
Put this man in jail.
How do people watch this and not see how out of touch it is?
Because it reinforces already held beliefs
Nikki continues to impress in the debates. Imo
There a few frauds on that stage and she isn't one of them.
Haley was always the one that seemed competent, even if I disagree with her social takes.
There’s a whole lot of things I don’t like about Nikki Haley
Her shitting all over Vivek is not one of those things
Christie calling Trump donald duck was kind of funny.
I generally stay out of politics discussions because "[uck fay] 'em", but did a black candidate really stand up there and say some of LBJ's policies were worse for the "black family" than slavery? If so, is there some context that I'm missing because that seems like a [uck fay]ing insane comment?
It's the Great Society stuff. The idea among conservatives regarding his policies there were they created welfare dependency. The greater problem has always been the Drug War and mandatory prison sentencing, along with the Crime Bill, but fixing those things require more effort than simply stop paying welfare to people and telling them you're on your own.
Both can be true, welfare dependency is a thing regardless of race.
I agree there is a problem with welfare dependency across all racial lines. But I believe it is not nearly as big a problem as the drug issues, drug laws and heavy handed prison sentences that go with them. Most people want to look at the one thing that will fix the problem (removing welfare will do it! or get rid of drug laws, that will do it!), when it is really a mix of things. But that is hard and difficult, and requires a lot of introspection and admitting we are all part of the problem, and most people don't want to do that.
I wish I knew of a way that I could do things to help argue against this kind of single fixing point problem that I see, but I just have no clue how to go about it. Same with my views on Trump, I wish I could get out and discuss with people, calmly and deeply about Trump without it always escalating into a war. I just don't know how to get out and help and fight for the things I find important without causing undo suffering for myself and others.
People respond to incentives.
Our social programs have destroyed traditional families which has killed a lot of communities.
The prison-industrial complex has been faaaaaaaaaaarrrrr more damaging than the welfare system. Lots of factors go into the changes in the family ("Traditional family" actually being somewhat of a more modern construct anyway), but there's been a number of laws aimed at reducing welfare over the decades.
Anecdote: growing up, we were on WIC for a little while. Fast forward 30 some years later, and each of my parents and both me and my sibling make above the median household income individually. We've easily more than paid for the aid received in taxes. It was an investment in the future and it paid off big time. And there was nothing incentivizing about being impoverished. Wanted to move up as quickly as possible (and did, clearly).
Serious question - what % of people in Union County that were welfare dependent 10 years ago still are today? Ballpark guess. I'd wager a substantial amount it's greater than 50%.
0 problem with any type of welfare for people as you describe. Short term hard luck, it's what it's there for. And I'm not saying it is the CAUSE of the issues of dependency, but I do think it provides strong incentive for people who want to leech to be able to leech.
For the record, there is no one solution fixes it. There's 25 things at minimum that need to be changed and to do it is a large investment that would take a minimum decade to do, and that's best case scenario.
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