COVID-19 (artist formerly known as Wuhan strain novel Corona virus)

Discussion in 'The Thunderdome' started by IP, Jan 28, 2020.

  1. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    Found one.
     
  2. TennTradition

    TennTradition Super Moderator

    Trying to track things like death rates also starts getting riddled with error.

    Let’s say you have 100,000 actual cases on Monday. You will likely have 400,000 cases by the following Sunday.

    But the average person who gets the virus in the first few days of that week won’t become symptomatic until that weekend. And then if they are ultimately going to die they likely won’t die until a week later. So the deaths that are being recorded two weeks later really represent deaths occurring due to infection when cases were just 100,000-200,000. At that point, actual cases would have climbed closer to 1.6 million.
     
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  3. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    add to that the issue of "pre-existing conditions." If someone has x and then also COVID and dies, was it x or COVID? Most people seem to want to believe x is the culprit, but it isn't black and white.
     
  4. kptvol

    kptvol Super Moderator

    Fortunately, we live in a nation where almost no one has pre-existing conditions.
     
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  5. Indy

    Indy Pronoun Analyst

    So, India is locking it down. Am I wrong to think that India is the worse possible country for this thing to get loose in?
     
  6. kptvol

    kptvol Super Moderator

    Are there any nations of one 80+ year old man that smokes and doesn’t wash his hands?
     
  7. kptvol

    kptvol Super Moderator

    Ruh roh.

    First, in a small study involving 30 patients, hydroxychloroquine, used on top of conventional treatments, cleared the virus in 13 (86.7%) cases on day 7, while 14 (93.3%) patients in the control group had the virus cleared, according to a study abstract Raffat obtained. One patient on the malaria med progressed to severe during the treatment.
     
  8. kptvol

    kptvol Super Moderator

    On the positive side, evidently studies are showing the virus does not appear to be mutating much at all. Helps on the vaccine front.
     
  9. NorrisAlan

    NorrisAlan Founder of the Mike Honcho Fan Club

    And is that 7% inside the margin of error? 30 is not a big sample, so it just might be and that would make it statistically meaningless.
     
  10. kptvol

    kptvol Super Moderator

    Not a big sample size, but certainly not encouraging that it didn’t even match the control.
     
  11. TennTradition

    TennTradition Super Moderator

    That would definitely not be statistically significant.
     
  12. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    Maybe the principality of Sealand.
     
  13. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    Wasn't it a combination of this drug and something else that was showing a bit more promise, anecdotally?
     
  14. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    30 is a good number for an initial trial, statistically. Human trials are expensive or circumstantial
     
  15. kptvol

    kptvol Super Moderator

    Have seen a few different combos but at one point just the malaria drug by itself was touted as effective.
     
  16. 2Maggitt2Quit

    2Maggitt2Quit Chieftain

    I think Chloroquine + Zpak has the most potential right now.
     
  17. TennTradition

    TennTradition Super Moderator

    It might be just that z-pack is limiting bacterial infections associated with the pneumonia.
     
  18. 2Maggitt2Quit

    2Maggitt2Quit Chieftain

    I can't find the page right now, but Oxford had posted a good discussion surrounding Case Fatality Rates (CFR) vs Infected Fatality Rates (IFR). CFR only includes confirmed cases, is affected by testing limitations, and excludes asymptomatic cases for the most part. So while we see a 1-3% CFR, it may actually be 0.15%-0.20% IFR.

    They mentioned that months into H1N1, death rates hovered around 1% while actual rates were much much lower.

    However, I don't think this bodes well for the first wave of cases and the impact on hospitals.
     
  19. Beechervol

    Beechervol Super Moderator

    Posted yesterday afternoon.

     
  20. Ssmiff

    Ssmiff Went to the White House...Again

    Thats good news, at the moment. Ill take it.
     

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