COVID-19 (artist formerly known as Wuhan strain novel Corona virus)

You are a moron and dont care for your fellow man.

 

Well, yes, but this was well known before CV19 ever took hold.

 

Hypocritical or not, everything can be used as a tool in politics.

 

it is always mother nature's plan A. but doing it without a vaccine would still mean it will around indefinitely, seemingly randomly killing older people like an old timey disease.

 

I can somewhat see the governors point. If you have plans for about half of your capacity as surge ready to go, and only 25% of your normal capacity is actual COVID patients - saying you are running out of ICU beds this week (normal mon surge) in many ways does send an incomplete message.

 

So, it's slightly fear mongering

 

It's fearmongering right up until it is "what could anyone do? How could we have known?"

That'll come in a couple of weeks. It is like people don't remember the last 3 months, and just pay attention one week at a time. Texas used to be "the model" for COVID-19 and reopening. Same with Florida. This used to be seen as a NYC problem, and it was claimed that the weather and high population density was what was driving the outbreak.

Nope. And this was always obviously not right because of California. It isn't fear mongering to speak to facts. The fact is they set a benchmark, and then it was passed. Now they have changed the benchmark, because it was "negative."

 

It seems to be that about two weeks after a positive test is when things go south.

The news in Houston could be vastly different than the "it's under control" message, in just a short time.

 

yes it is fear mongering when "facts" have been presented from day 1 and many "facts" have been proven to be bullshit. Very little the media has reported has been accurate since day one, due to China, WHO, CDC, Fauci and his crew, Trump spitting out whatever he thinks as fact, and media vying for people to watch their shows in fear as they sit at home stuck to tv with death o meters scrolling.

 

It's bullshit now, and will only continue to accumulate. But this is Butch Jones' America now, so pointing out problems that need to be solved is just being an energy vampire. Better to lie to ourselves and hope something completely unexpected happens to make it all go away. But there is not national Josh Dobbs in the America backfield.

 

Stuffing COVID patients back into nursing homes probably didn't help NYC either

 

Apologies for mixing failed UT coach metaphors, but I am feeling some "don't feed the red dog" energy from you. That shit doesn't actually fix something either.

 

This is a great example of making something political. It is a total non sequitur to the situation in Texas and Florida, but is being brought up... why? To just tear down NY and what they did?

As it turns out, the patients were isolated and the subsequent nursing home outbreaks began from infected staff bringing it in from other sources. So this criticism may not even be valid at all.

Further, earlier @Volst53 proclaimed that the reason why things are better in NYC and the northeast was because of herd immunity forming. If this is true, we should not see any more large flare ups/second waves there... In other words, there is a possibility that if this is not true, it will become obvious that it is not true. And when that happens, guess what the spin will be? "See, they couldn't do any better." Which is in direct contradiction to the initial premise of NY/NYC screwing it all up with nursing homes and that the other measures didn't matter, and that only herd immunity made it get better. It's a logical paradox driven by a desire to be "right," more than to actually get this under control and move on.

So in Texas and Florida, in order to be "right," everything has to be under control. Any metric indicating otherwise should be adjusted. The woman who was fired by Florida after refusing to change COVID-19 numbers has publicly stated that the intent is to make it seem as if the numbers are flattening and we are "over the hump." But these are real people, not just numbers, and manipulating these things is killing people just as surely as if we were marching them off a cliff while telling them about the beautiful scenic overlook just ahead.

 

It's fear mongering in that they don't give underlying statistics on the positive cases. There are indeed lots of cases but now they are in much younger people who will be able to fight it off easier and require less hospitalizations. It's turned into we can't trust anything that is on the news these days.

 

And how many people have these younger folks interacted with? Are they only younger folks?

If what you say is true, then the deaths should stay under 1,000 a day for the foreseeable future. If what you say is incorrect, in two to four weeks, they will be well above that. if the deaths go back well over 1,000 a day in July, will you reflect on your own reasoning on this? I will reflect on mine if it stays under 1,000 a day through July. Let's do this together.

 

I thought the reason she was fired was because she was incompetent and gave no proof of her numbers.

 

Agreed, it appears that Deaths and Hospitalizations are down even as an increase in cases is seen. Hopefully this remains the case as the amount of serious/critical cases has pretty much been leveled off.

 

Did you hear that from the news you just said you can't trust? Or did you hear it from a "news commentator" who apparently you trust to comment on the thing you don't trust?

If she is incompetent, it sure is odd that she has launched her own dashboard of information that can be scrutinized by anyone. Not really an action an incompetent person does.

https://www.npr.org/2020/06/14/8765...t-launches-a-coronavirus-dashboard-of-her-own

https://floridacovidaction.com/

 

Cool, we will see what happens and I will eat crow if I'm wrong.

I'd like to point out that in this thread we just spoke about how the metrics for hospitalizations are being changed on the fly to be lower and that deaths trail new cases by weeks. The information we see now on deaths is reflective of conditions in early June.