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Why are we setting our standards in comparison to how people in Ghana or Haiti live? How about we try to make it really good in America and not give a shit about what anyone else's standard is these days?

 

We still were the drivers in the first industrial revolution though and had a higher standard of living before WWII.

The second industrial movement of the 50's saw the largest improvement of standard of living in human history and we were also the ones that made that happen.

 

If only someone could believe this without being accused of xenophobia, racism, isolationism or Nazi-like nationalism.

 

It's been my understanding that America has never done anything for anyone, and that the world would be a better place if it was weak and crippled.

 

And as always, the truth is somewhere in the middle.

 

Your assumption is that it already isn't really good in America.

 

Awful? By what standard?

 

this isn't one of those cases. The only way people can made any argument we don't have it at worst as good as anyone else is to talk about silliness of income inequality.

 

Oh, opposition to your rewrite of history is rah rah. You're a clown with this stuff. We created an economic system that changed the world and then moving toward it has helped everyone. We also threw away the Kings. It isn't by accident ours is the most powerful economy ever.

 

Exactly. When you need plight to garner votes and retain power, you make it relative.

 

Like Bernie inventing that we have the highest child poverty rate in the world.

 

And this whole gilded age argument is just stupid. Again, nobody can make even a remotely viable argument as to why it matters, but it continues to be beaten into the ground. You'd think reasonably bright people would understand that it's purely for vote gathering.

 

I'd say it's more than that. We have a lot of ****-ups, no doubt, but the world post WWII is most definitely worse off without us.

 

Why argue absolutes? No one is arguing the above.

 

I'm pretty sure that our economy is only the greatest and strongest in the history of the world because of how we treated Native Americans, and probably, also as a result of slavery.

 

Really? I'll wager that Un and that a sizable number of uber-liberals have my post, or its close approximation, quoted on a THC-saturated poster, as their fav quote on their MySpace page or tattooed somewhere on their body.

 

We definitely did our part, but the British drove the bus on capitalism and industrialization.

 

not for the last 100 years.

 

True. We are the heirs to what they started, but the 20th century was definitely ours.. Britain and the US are the first two world powers that have actually wanted to make the world a better place.

 

That's highly subjective, isn't it? Alexander the Great? Kublai Khan? Some of the Roman emperors? Just off the top of my head.