Anti-LGBT/Religious Freedom Laws

Some people actively advertise themselves. Most people use an agency though. But this is exactly what is happening right now.

The expectation has become for the adopting family to pay (for some or all of) the mother's medical as well as other life expenses in the months leading up to her giving birth. Even people that go through an agency do that. People willing to pledge more money are much more likely to be selected by the mother. Some agencies, but not all, hide the amount pledged. The amount has become part of the selection criteria. If you are from a low-middle income family, even if you are salt of the earth, it is much more difficult to adopt because of the big time legal fees and inability to pay the mother's expenses. My brother and his wife are in that position now. Race and gender influence the prices as well. It's a market.

 

She aided in getting the body there, likely willingly.

 

Again, what is the origin of this apparently binding biological natural law regarding reproduction?

 

yup. even for a wealthy educated couple it can be a difficult experience. we had a friend do this and the mother changed her mind after the kid was born and they never got their money back. it was terrible.

 

"You know what causes that, don't you?"

My uncle to my wife during her first pregnancy.

 

I do not understand the question. Can you expound?

 

That because one is capable of birthing, they are apparently compelled to do so by obligation. I'm asking where this obligation comes from.

 

I didn't see anyone suggesting we inseminate all females immediately after menarche.

 

Same place the obligation I have to raise my sons came from.

But all of this is irrelevant because you see a fetus as nothing more than a tumor (harsh on my part, and perhaps not accurate. But some of the things you have said points to that) and thus the mother is under no obligation.

But if you believe the post first trimester fetus has a right to life as I do, then yes she is under the obligation.

The father also gets no say, yet because he is capable of fertilizing an egg, he is on the hook no matter what his wishes are.

 

But if they are inseminated, they're locked in for the lifelong ride of motherhood?

 

Was it forced on them? If so, an abortion is called for. And hopefully before the first trimester is up.

Of it was consensual and recreational, and again, after the first trimester with no threat of health to mom or a rare disease causing the fetus to be unviable, then sorry. It should be protected like all humans in this country are protected.

 

Whoa. Why does it change if it is forced on them? What difference would that make, if this is simply about a human life?

 

Honestly I don't think it should matter, if they wait until the second trimester. By then it is no different than if they gave birth and changed their mind and left it in a dumpster.

I should have said that better. I am uncomfortable with all "convenience" abortions. I think it causes unforseen suffering on the mother and the father. But I am willing to give the benefit of the doubt pre second trimester.

Edit: I am also against all death penalties.

 

Like libertarianism, it's a great idea, on paper

 

The law frowns upon selling kids.
At least for $700.
At least in claiborne county.

Yes, really.

 

It's Superbad. There's semen on everything.

 

Friends of mine had the same exact experience, adopted the baby in Knoxville, bought all the baby items, spending quite a sum of money, they are fairly well off. Used to own the original Batmobille complete with Batcycle among an extensive car collection. The birth mother had 30 days to change her mind and she did. Can you imagine having a child for 30 days and then have to give it back

 

One of my wife's friends gave her child up for adoption and 24 hours later took the kid back and then after 24 hours with an infant changed her mind again. This was a 30 year old woman btw. She had to borrow the people's car seat. Poor people flew home in tears. I guess it's good she gave the kid back, but I still found it despicable.

 

How long after birth? You know those first few weeks are tough on a woman. After a while, what is somewhat despicable.

 

Maybe a week. I found it pretty dispicable a 30 year old person could give up the kid in the first place. She's nuts though and the kid is better off. Of course she now has a kid with her new husband