COVID-19 (artist formerly known as Wuhan strain novel Corona virus)

Discussion in 'The Thunderdome' started by IP, Jan 28, 2020.

  1. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    I haven't looked. Which way would matter to you, and how? Will you accept it if they are? Or would you accept it if we were doing something different? Or would it just be goal posts to move either way? Judging from the past 2 years, it doesn't really matter. It's just a rhetorical pivot point to undermine expertise.
     
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  2. Indy

    Indy Pronoun Analyst

    It's a question. If one expert says we should be doing something, common sense suggests that we should see if other experts around the world are suggesting the same thing. If they're not, then a decision has to be made about which expert(s) should be believed.

    I don't have kids, so I don't really have a dog in the fight for this one.
     
  3. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    This is not how viruses work.
     
  4. Indy

    Indy Pronoun Analyst

    The vaccine no longer prevents the spread of the virus. Hinders, sure, but it doesn't prevent.

    So if healthy 3 and 4 year olds aren't dying or becoming seriously ill from the virus at a high clip, vaccine for protection doesn't make a ton of sense. And if they can still spread the virus relatively easily even once vaccinated, vaccine to prevent spread doesn't make a ton of sense.

    So why would I care to tell people that they have to vaccinate their 2 year olds?
     
  5. Ssmiff

    Ssmiff Went to the White House...Again

    You got it wrong. Fauci is the one. Trust and follow him. What he says is right, even when he says the opposite the next day, he's right again. That's science.
    Go have some kids and give a 2 year old 4 covid shots. Hope it works out fine.
     
  6. fl0at_

    fl0at_ Humorless, asinine, joyless pr*ck

    "Other experts" around the world are using their expertise of their specific country, culture and availability.

    This isn't pie in the sky stuff. It isn't "if you had infinite money and access to more vaccine doses than anyone else, would you recommend..."

    Other experts are making their recommendations based on their resources. Ours are making it based on our resources.

    Common sense says listen to ours.
     
  7. fl0at_

    fl0at_ Humorless, asinine, joyless pr*ck

    Because there is more to health than just death or serious illness.

    Those vaccinated have a lower likelihood of other risk factors. Even if those other risk factors are also low, cutting them down further is still the right medical call.
     
  8. Indy

    Indy Pronoun Analyst

    "Dying or becoming seriously ill."

    How significantly does vaccination lower the likelihood of other risk factors in 3 or 4 year olds? Is it like going from 20% to .5%? Or more like going from .006% to .002%?
     
  9. fl0at_

    fl0at_ Humorless, asinine, joyless pr*ck

    Either one is still the right medical call.

    Telling kids to drink fewer sodas and eat more fruits and vegetables isn't going to make a ton of difference over the life of most kids. It's still the right MEDICAL call.
     
  10. Indy

    Indy Pronoun Analyst

    I think the country would benefit if Fauci stepped back from being the "face of the pandemic and science." Too many people dislike him and don't want to hear what he has to say. Not saying fire him or anything, but make someone else the face of it.

    Sort of like IP's Supreme Court argument. There's gotta be someone else who can be the face. Even if they say the same shit Fauci would say, maybe it gets received better if it's someone else.
     
  11. Ssmiff

    Ssmiff Went to the White House...Again

    Child mortality did not increase with covid.
     
  12. fl0at_

    fl0at_ Humorless, asinine, joyless pr*ck

    Nor has it drastically changed by having fewer pieces of candy.

    It's still the right medical call. If you don't want to follow recommendations, don't. But that doesn't make the recommendation wrong.
     
  13. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    This is not how vaccines work. It is expressed as such in simplified terms, but no vaccine is 100% effective because individual human bodies are different and circumstances can vary.
     
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  14. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    From a public communications standpoint, you are sadly right.
     
  15. IP

    IP Super Moderator

     
  16. justingroves

    justingroves supermod

    PR is important
     
  17. Indy

    Indy Pronoun Analyst

    True or False?

    The vaccine was, at one point in the last 6 months, significantly (SIGNIFICANTLY) better at preventing the spread of COVID than it is right now.
     
  18. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    Define significantly. Which vaccine type? Both of those affect the answer in a true/false dichotomy.
     
  19. fl0at_

    fl0at_ Humorless, asinine, joyless pr*ck

    There is a lot that can go in to this that goes beyond just the "vaccine."

    If the vaccine was tolerable in low dose, and we had the resources to take that low dose every day, I doubt anyone doing so would ever be infected by the virus itself.

    Which means this is less about the drug, and more about the circumstances of the infection.
     
  20. Ssmiff

    Ssmiff Went to the White House...Again

    Depends on what the definition of is, is. Gimme a break with the semantic tap dancing
     

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