POLITICS Democratic Nominee 2020 Lollapalooza

You can try to justify it and say it's no big deal all you want, but when the party has people both inside and out thinking/claiming it's rigged, a this happens, it only fuels the fire more and gives Trump a new drum to beat. It's a terrible, terrible look and gave Biden a lifeline to SC and Super Tuesday.

 

Never understood why Iowa matters so much. And why Ohio, maybe the ugliest state in the US with the most annoying people, counts for so much.

 

I didn't say it was justified or not a big deal. It just isn't unprecedented and there is no reason to believe it is a conspiracy. the fact that there are competing narratives about who it helped undermines the notion that it helped anyone. Biden and Buttigieg are fighting for the same voters, yet both are claimed to have benefited over the other.

A big part of modern politics is pushing narratives. the rigged narrative has been being pushed before last night and has been an effective tool against progressives.

 

I am with you about iowa. and your evaluation of Ohio.

 

if I had to guess, Sanders is on top, Warren did well, Buttigieg outperformed, and biden bombed badly.

 

Or do you mean Ron Paul?

 

If one method of counting is giving you one answer and the other is giving a very different answer, you probably shut it down and proceed very methodically. I think that’s what we are seeing.

 

I dont disagree, I'm just surprised the media hasn't gotten its own count.

 

Sanders campaign data indicates it is

1. Sanders
2. Buttigieg
3. warren

If true, a long delay in the official results really hurts Buttigieg, as he would be the classic "outperforming expectations" candidate who could get a national bounce.

I think he could supplant biden as the moderate if he does it again in New Hampshire. exciting stuff. A young man probably does better in a shrunk field against Sanders. This could get very competitive.

 

This is a cluster [uck fay] for the Dems.

No one has faith in the DNC. This could turn very ugly.

 

Sounds like turn out was really low too, so that's not a good sign for the Dems either.

 

someone was saying that 3 church deacons could take the forms to the back room of the church and have this counted in 20 minutes. I thought that was funny. and probably true. sunday lunch rush is no joke.

 

Low turnout and hard to count? Man, Iowans are duuuuumb.

 

I've seen nothing to suggest the numbers are very different from 2016, which was down from the records in 2008. and in 2016, more people voted for Clinton than have ever voted for a candidate in US history.

A lot of "narrative building" going around.

 

Go find the most country Baptist church that exists in Iowa, grab their deacons, and we'll know the answer in an hour. Don't mind the grease stains from the fried chicken.

 

The hill just said that it was lower than 2016. Expected to be around 160,000

 

First time turnout seems to be low, but on pace with 2016.

Not a good look for the Democrats in Iowa, but there are always points in primaries when it seems as if things are getting out of control or antagonisms occur. Bush had them in 2000, so did Obama in 2008, which was a huge damn mess, and even Trump in 2016, to an extent. I don't think Democrats are winning in Iowa in November anyway. I doubt it will be much of an issue in a week or so.

 

The issue is that this saves Biden.

How the [uck fay] does he have those poll numbers but no one likes him.

 

A guy I know in Iowa says the problem was the app because it wasn't working well and these elections rely a lot on older people who are not familiar with the technology, plus they were not well trained on how to use it.