"Everything Republicans believe is wrong" (IP porn)

Discussion in 'The Thunderdome' started by IP, May 14, 2014.

  1. fl0at_

    fl0at_ Humorless, asinine, joyless pr*ck

    Why philosophical question would be, should minimum wage be raised, even with the deadweight loss, what is actually affected?

    How many minimum wage paying jobs are really out there?

    If we take your position, dro, with so few actually making minimum wage, where is the harm? Teenagers and young adults aren't known for excessive savings. So we stimulate the economy with their spending; a form of mid level trickle down economics.
     
  2. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    Well, about 7.50.
     
  3. kidbourbon

    kidbourbon Well-Known Member

    Have you ever worked a minimum wage job? There's no 401K with contribution-matching. There's no Fellatio Fridays.

    I did turn 21 on the back of a ham truck at honey baked ham in Knoxville during one of the two or three holiday seasons where I worked there* to pay for a skiing trip to Colorado the following week**. And the manager did offer me a valium as a 21st birthday present. I guess that might have been considered an employer paid benefit. But I wasn't really into the idea of taking a sedative while loading hams from the truck to the refrigerator, and so I politely declined.


    *You could get in a shit ton of hours. They'd let you work 17 hours a day.
    **The UT Ski and Snowboard Club organized a weeklong trip every year, and it was reasonably priced, and so I did it most every year.
     
  4. bigpapavol

    bigpapavol Chieftain

    No it isn't.
     
  5. bigpapavol

    bigpapavol Chieftain

    The absolute and automatic inflation from the hike is the part that hurts. The recipients end up where they were, but the millions and millions on fixed incomes are immediately poorer. Salaried employees are likely poorer too. The idea that the hike is something close to neutral for getting it and negative for everyone else makes me wonder how it gets real support.
     
  6. VolDad

    VolDad Super Moderator

  7. VolDad

    VolDad Super Moderator

    Yes I have.

    In addition to salaries and wages, the employer will incur some or all of the following payroll-related expenses:
    1.Employer portion of Social Security tax
    2.Employer portion of Medicare tax
    3.State unemployment tax
    4.Federal unemployment tax
    5.Worker compensation insurance
    6.Employer portion of insurance (health, dental, vision, life, disability)
    7.Employer paid holidays, vacations, and sick days
    8.Employer contributions toward 401(k), savings plans, & profit-sharing plans
    9.Employer contributions to pension plans
    10.Post-retirement health insurance



    So none of this applied to the wages they paid you?
     
    Last edited: May 16, 2014
  8. kidbourbon

    kidbourbon Well-Known Member

    Definitely not the last five. Do min wage jobs normally offer health insurance?
     
  9. kidbourbon

    kidbourbon Well-Known Member

    And there were definitely no Fellatio Fridays.
     
  10. justingroves

    justingroves supermod

    They might, but there goes half your paycheck if they do.
     
  11. kidbourbon

    kidbourbon Well-Known Member

    Yeah, I've had at least five min wage jobs, and there was no discussion of health insurance.
     
  12. justingroves

    justingroves supermod

    One place I worked at during college, they offered insurance for $200 a week. Yeah, I'm making 8.25, go **** yourself.
     
  13. droski

    droski Traffic Criminal

    There shouldn't even be a minimum wage. Market forces have already made that wage scarce. I agree raising the minimum wage does nothing, so why do it? I've said before I'm not against raising it per se because it doesn't do anything, but I'm generally against pointless political acts. In particular ones that Obama and co are going to act like they are curing poverty with.
     
    Last edited: May 16, 2014
  14. kptvol

    kptvol Super Moderator

    $200 a week at your age? Were you getting daily home visits from a concierge doctor?
     
  15. droski

    droski Traffic Criminal

    A person making $10k a year has $650 paid by an employer for their social security tax so that's hardly insignificant. There are also payroll taxes.
     
  16. kptvol

    kptvol Super Moderator

    Never really understood why employers have to pay payroll tax. What is the rationale behind that?
     
  17. justingroves

    justingroves supermod

    It was a crock of shit. I told the insurance salesman in the meeting to go **** himself and walked out.

    My boss didn't like it, but it is what it is.
     
  18. justingroves

    justingroves supermod

    To make you want to fire everyone that works for you.
     
  19. bigpapavol

    bigpapavol Chieftain

    because the municipalities and fed can coerce and there is no other reason. Why in the hell I pay unemployment insurance is insane.
     
  20. droski

    droski Traffic Criminal

    I can't imagine what groves workers comp insurance costs. Mine is like $2k per employee and we are in an office. I've had multiple business owners tell me they'd much rather spend money on technology than the risk of a new employee
     

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