Farm subsidies are necessary, but broken:

Discussion in 'The Thunderdome' started by IP, Mar 9, 2014.

  1. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    Got to BBQ goat. Dominican Republic style. Good eating.
     
  2. JayVols

    JayVols Walleye Catchin' Moderator

    Under the old allotment system, the going scam was to procure a large allotment(s) of tobacco, take out insurance on the whole, plant the whole, but only do what's needed to have a successful crop on a part. File an insurance claim for the rest & never have to work it.

    Example:
    Get 80 acres of allotments. Raise plants for all. Plant all. Only fertilize, sucker & spray a portion. Sell the good part. Collect insurance money on the other & not have to spend the time/money on materials & labor.

    Of course, you still have to buy the fertilizer & chemicals for all or you get caught. You just buy for other people & sell to them at a discounted price & it looks like you "tried" to raise all 80 acres.
     
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  3. NorrisAlan

    NorrisAlan Founder of the Mike Honcho Fan Club

    Love me some Tolkien.
     
  4. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    We shouldn't even be subsidizing non-food crops at all.
     
  5. warhammer

    warhammer Chieftain

    How about a subsidy for weed? Colorado offering that yet?
     
  6. CardinalVol

    CardinalVol Uncultured, non-diverse mod

    I remember my dad caught a wild hair and grew soybeans one year when I was a kid on one small area of ours. Don't remember why.
     
  7. NorrisAlan

    NorrisAlan Founder of the Mike Honcho Fan Club

    [video=youtube;cKdSzoOuzlk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKdSzoOuzlk[/video]
     
  8. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    Haha, was "non-food" ambiguous somehow? No, no subsidy for weed either.

    I have no idea if it is being subsidized here. I doubt it. The feds obviously won't, and CO is taxing the hell out of it so I don't think it would be subsidized.
     
  9. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    Because it is in the Legumaceae family and has nitrogen-fixing bacteria in it's root nodules that improve the soil. It is common to add a member of that family into a crop rotation to improve the soil, though clay-rich soils are not great for them. The further west in the state you are, the more likely that it would be a good idea. He was probably checking to see how it would do and if it made a difference for whatever he grew there the next year. If the soil wasn't loamy, it probably wasn't worth pursuing for the whole property.
     
  10. JohnnyQuickkick

    JohnnyQuickkick Calcio correspondent

    My folks have grown and sold them for years
     
  11. CardinalVol

    CardinalVol Uncultured, non-diverse mod

    Maybe. I don't know or remember. Except we NEVER used that field for anything. Ever. We grew hay and had 3-ish head of cattle.
     
  12. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    Did you ever have trouble with the hay/grazing being thin?
     
  13. CardinalVol

    CardinalVol Uncultured, non-diverse mod

    Nope.

    My guess is someone convinced him to try it, it ended up not being worth it, so he never did it again. He farmed as a hobby.
     
  14. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    Must be.
     
  15. justingroves

    justingroves supermod

    Did he deer hunt?
     
  16. CardinalVol

    CardinalVol Uncultured, non-diverse mod

    Not in my lifetime. A ton before I came along though.
     
  17. warhammer

    warhammer Chieftain

    Brownie ingredient maybe...
     
  18. NorrisAlan

    NorrisAlan Founder of the Mike Honcho Fan Club

    [video=youtube;ACF4XDznGEs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACF4XDznGEs[/video]
     
  19. JayVols

    JayVols Walleye Catchin' Moderator

    Tell that to an old-timey tobacco farmer and see what happens...:)


    Subsidies for corn ethanol are one of the most egregious examples of crony capitalism. Not only does that stuff do a number on engines, carburetors &/or injector systems (particularly when the fuel sits for extended periods) but it also is grossly inefficient given the massive amount of energy needed to convert it compared to the energy output of the final product. And that's not even talking about the huge price inflation for food products (for humans & livestock) made from corn due to removing it from the food supply or the unhealthiness of high fructose corn syrup.
     
    Last edited: Mar 10, 2014
  20. JayVols

    JayVols Walleye Catchin' Moderator


    Bet it could do wonders for my prime riverbottom land.
     

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