POLITICS Fun Tax Data!

Discussion in 'Politicants' started by CardinalVol, Oct 15, 2018.

  1. justingroves

    justingroves supermod

    In one week, you work a lot of overtime. In the last job I had, if I worked over 16 hours of overtime, the pay for hours 17 to whatever amounted to less than my base pay after deductions.
     
  2. NorrisAlan

    NorrisAlan Founder of the Mike Honcho Fan Club

    How so? Having never run my own business, what is the major issue?
     
  3. kptvol

    kptvol Super Moderator

    You start having to make quarterly payments, which can add up to around an entire month's profit. So essentially every three months you see the bank account reset back one month with the stroke of one check. It's not fun.
     
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  4. CardinalVol

    CardinalVol Uncultured, non-diverse mod

    Federal income tax
    FICA
    Medicare
    State franchise tax
    State excise tax
    County business tax
    City business tax
    Property Taxes
    Personal property taxes
    Sales tax
    Licenses
    Professional taxes
    Other states taxes
    Nexus issues

    Need I say more?
     
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  5. Volst53

    Volst53 Super Moderator

    You have to deal with how the sausage is made.

    Our system is designed to be complicated and complex, but in the way that the average person doesn't have to deal with it or they wouldn't accept it.

    It's designed for cronyism and kickbacks for special favors and breaks for those that can afford to buy them.
     
  6. doolmeonce

    doolmeonce Member

    Having to write the check rather than it being taking out of scheduled pay. Generally, working for someone else one never sees the money and often gets a little back. Having to write a five figure check at the end of the year has an impact.
     
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  7. CardinalVol

    CardinalVol Uncultured, non-diverse mod

    This is why I advise all clients not to pay any taxes. Make them come get you.
     
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  8. Volst53

    Volst53 Super Moderator


    But any rise in cost or lack of competition is a market failure. Always the seen vs the unseen.
     
  9. NorrisAlan

    NorrisAlan Founder of the Mike Honcho Fan Club

    Yes, I get it sucks to make that check out. But is it any difference than making a check out for a new front loader, or a xray machine? It is a cost of doing business. I assume you pass that cost on to me, the customer?

    Now, the time and effort to keep up with it, that sucks too, but again, if you hire an accountant, do you not factor that into cost of business, like rent?

    Not trying to be a dickhead here, as I have never run my own business as I have said, and nor do I want to do so. But it seems if you just look at it as a rent check and not "my money going down the tubes", it would be a little easier, psychologically.

    But I cannot really say for sure.
     
  10. NorrisAlan

    NorrisAlan Founder of the Mike Honcho Fan Club

    I am seriously thinking about using the whole "the 16th Amendment is unlawful" tact. Or even the whole "Constitution was illegally set up" tact.
     
  11. doolmeonce

    doolmeonce Member

    Buying equipment are assets with value and provide a return. Very little return, if any, on taxes.
     
  12. justingroves

    justingroves supermod

    You can price yourself out of business when you think you're growing. It's why so many businesses fail.
     
  13. justingroves

    justingroves supermod

    There's two brothers, they are both in their late 60's early 70's now, that do dirt work. They have a multi million dollar business. They could stop today and sell their equipment for probably 1.5 million or so. Anyways, they were telling me about how they got started. The older brother went to Vietnam and came back with some cash, younger brother had been running equipment. They buy a bulldozer, backhoe and dump truck, work is going good. They are country farmboys, by the way.

    They didn't pay taxes until year 4. "We made a lot of damn money before we realized we owed half of it to the damn government".
     
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  14. NorrisAlan

    NorrisAlan Founder of the Mike Honcho Fan Club

    Yes, but if you never think about it as "your money" but simply money that you are passing through from the consumer to the government, which is all you really are doing, then I would think it would easy the psychological pain of the writing of the check.
     
  15. NorrisAlan

    NorrisAlan Founder of the Mike Honcho Fan Club

    I do not understand what this means. I am genuinely interested in this topic, so if you could expound on that, it would be great.
     
  16. justingroves

    justingroves supermod

    That's the way I look at it and it's why I have no problem telling lowballing clients to [uck fay] right off. You don't realize it until you have to stroke the check, though
     
  17. CardinalVol

    CardinalVol Uncultured, non-diverse mod

    Put in 60-70 hours weeks and sleepless night off the bat getting something started and get back to me about not thinking about that as "your money".
     
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  18. justingroves

    justingroves supermod

    If you don't have the cash flow to pay the bills after a quick increase in employees, materials, equipment, taxes, insurance you go broke before you can get paid. I've watched it happen to a few companies. You can think you're making good money, but the overhead grows quicker than the bank account.

    That's poor planning, but it happens.
     
  19. justingroves

    justingroves supermod

    So, you increase your pricing to offset your costs and boom someone else can do it cheaper and you're [uck fay]ed
     
  20. CardinalVol

    CardinalVol Uncultured, non-diverse mod

    I've seen a whole bunch of people that had a great idea but 0 business sense.
     
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