Guns

Discussion in 'The Thunderdome' started by NEW COACH, Feb 16, 2018.

  1. JayVols

    JayVols Walleye Catchin' Moderator

    Hell. No.

    I don't want the responsibility of carrying & securing a firearm at school. I'm a teacher. Ixm not a soldier, policeman or armed security guard.
     
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  2. JayVols

    JayVols Walleye Catchin' Moderator

    I have to sell candy to pay for things that my state standards require me to do. Not kidding.

    Where is the money to pay for better security? Until the public & govt have a monumental attitude shift on funding, nothing like this will happen.
     
  3. JayVols

    JayVols Walleye Catchin' Moderator

    No.

    And not a matter of trusting.
     
  4. JayVols

    JayVols Walleye Catchin' Moderator

    You want individuals in a profession in which you have consistently and often expressed your loathing and disdain to now pack heat in the classroom if they meet your criteria? Are lazy, entitled people with guns a good mixture? Would you be ok with NEA legal representation for any teacher that fits your description above that is armed? They would need it. Lots of liability here. Would you be ok with the socialist idea of providing handguns to teachers with taxpayer money, or is that another item for which we would have to ask our kids to raise the funds by selling candy... like I already have to do just to have the things I need to do in order to meet the state standards in my classes, in other words just to do my job?

    Take deep breaths, man. Get some water. The mental gymnastics you're doing here based off your well documented views of public school teachers surely has you quite winded.
     
  5. Volst53

    Volst53 Super Moderator


    I doubt we have to worry about the NEA supporting arming teachers. Since the NEA thinks a person with an AR-15 automatically becomes a terminator, which is why the cops in Florida didn't respond.
     
  6. JayVols

    JayVols Walleye Catchin' Moderator

    They provide legal representation to teachers. It's not a matter of support or lack thereof.
     
  7. JayVols

    JayVols Walleye Catchin' Moderator

    Also, I've never seen you speak ill of teachers or the profession in general. So, you have no reason to justify your thoughts, my friend.
     
  8. fl0at_

    fl0at_ Humorless, asinine, joyless pr*ck

    Why is that a different responsibility than the one you have when you carry in the grocery store, or anywhere else?
     
  9. JayVols

    JayVols Walleye Catchin' Moderator

    Before I'm hit with the typical liberal gun-hating lefty bullshit, let me inform everyone of a few things:
    1. I am a hunter's ed instructor.
    2. I own several firearms and shoot them often be it hunting, shooting clays, predator control, etc.
    3. I have wanted an AR for years. Ask float. I have no real need for one, but I've wanted one.
    4. I have a lifetime concealed carry permit and have had it for around 15 years.
     
  10. JayVols

    JayVols Walleye Catchin' Moderator

    To me, yes, it is.

    That may be devoid of logic, but that's how I feel.
     
  11. fl0at_

    fl0at_ Humorless, asinine, joyless pr*ck

    So long as you are ok that it’s a feelings thing.

    I can’t argue emotion, and would say don’t carry if you aren’t comfortable.

    But it’s hard to project that feeling on someone who doesn’t share it, or maybe better said: it’s too easy to project that feeling on to someone else.
     
  12. JayVols

    JayVols Walleye Catchin' Moderator

    You asked why not if. Sorry.

    In my mind, I'm not responsible for 30 or 35 of other people's children in a grocery store, nor am I getting paid to go to the grocery store.
     
  13. JayVols

    JayVols Walleye Catchin' Moderator

    I never deny someone to feel their feelings. Forget being a teachet, as a parent, should I have any say about teachers carrying at school or my child being in a classroom of a packing teacher?
     
  14. fl0at_

    fl0at_ Humorless, asinine, joyless pr*ck

    I don’t think there would be a requirement that you seek out an active shooter.

    There really isn’t any requirement that you defend others, even when armed, and that wouldn’t be likely to change.

    So you still aren’t responsible for the lives of those in your class, just their education.

    That doesn’t change with your ability to defend yourself or others—should you choose to.

    Paid or not.
     
  15. fl0at_

    fl0at_ Humorless, asinine, joyless pr*ck

    As I parent do I have a say about the text book you use, or the amount of homework you give out, or that you spent 4 weeks on the civil war, and a week on the Khans?

    Yea, sure. Does it matter? Usually not.
     
  16. JayVols

    JayVols Walleye Catchin' Moderator

    No. I'm responsible for their safety too. If a child gets hurt in my class, you saying that I should never bear responsibility for that?
     
  17. JayVols

    JayVols Walleye Catchin' Moderator

    Yes you do. Parents are on every textbook adoption committee.
     
  18. fl0at_

    fl0at_ Humorless, asinine, joyless pr*ck

    Being on a committee and having say are different things.

    What you are arguing would be the equivalent of me saying:

    “You too can run for state government.”
     
  19. JayVols

    JayVols Walleye Catchin' Moderator

    And if you have concerns with anything a teacher does, you have every right in the world to meet and discuss those issues. I would love for parents to be that involved with my students, but I can't get more than 1 or 2 to show up to scheduled conference days, and those 1 or 2 are the straight A student parents.
     
  20. JayVols

    JayVols Walleye Catchin' Moderator

    Parents have the same input and voice as a teacher in textbook adoptions.
     

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