POLITICS The Biden Transition

Discussion in 'Politicants' started by Unimane, Nov 24, 2020.

  1. fl0at_

    fl0at_ Humorless, asinine, joyless pr*ck

    Yes.
     
  2. fl0at_

    fl0at_ Humorless, asinine, joyless pr*ck

    A small business may have 500 employees. Depending on the industry, a small business may have as many as 1,500 I believe.

    I don't think you are comparing small business to small business. I think you are comparing very teeny tiny micro businesses to small businesses, and calling the small businesses large corporations. But they aren't, they're small businesses.
     
  3. Volst53

    Volst53 Super Moderator


    I would agree if it were free market forces deciding it.

    it’s not and large industries want this to cut their competition and to pull up the ladder.

    this will hurt rural and poor areas the most and then we’ll get another Trump type.
     
  4. cpninja

    cpninja Member




    A lot of people read the messaging as "We're sending $2000 checks". As in, we will send out checks that say "$2000" on them. If they meant $2000 total they could have switched to messaging around $1400 checks once the $600 was already being distributed(which started before the end of 2020), but they didn't until Biden's actual plan was revealed. This is a stupid thing for them to play games with, more money is better for the people than less money is, and direct cash payments are as easy of a political win as they will ever get. And they still cant resist messing it up
     
  5. fl0at_

    fl0at_ Humorless, asinine, joyless pr*ck

    There is no free market, and never has been. It's a fantasy.

    Rural areas don't have the people, that's why they are rural. This is to help people, not hurt business.

    There are much better ways to hurt business.
     
  6. Volst53

    Volst53 Super Moderator


    No my local grocery store. Might employee 15 people total.

    They’re going against Walmart not a regional grocery store that might have 500 employees.
     
  7. fl0at_

    fl0at_ Humorless, asinine, joyless pr*ck

    Just because they are in the space, doesn't mean they are competing with Walmart. We played football against Alabama this year, we didn't compete against Alabama this year.

    Your small grocery store is not competing against Walmart.
     
  8. Volst53

    Volst53 Super Moderator

    It will hurt those at the lowest the most.

    businesses aren’t going to pay for 15 dollars to individuals that can’t exceed that amount in production.

    so the unskilled or inexperienced will have harder time finding work, especially poor and minority communities
     
  9. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    this is silly. 2000 dollars. Not 2600. they aren't going to change the messaging because an increment came through. were this all a cynical ploy, biden wouldn't have tweeted that on Jan 10. He was and is talking 2000 in relief. No one has ever said 2600, I have looked hard. no one said "an additional 2000" until the last 24 hours.
     
  10. fl0at_

    fl0at_ Humorless, asinine, joyless pr*ck

    Yes, the idea that we have to pander to the fringes is going to die, eventually, and those fringes will go away. That is true of business and politics.
     
  11. Volst53

    Volst53 Super Moderator

    not nationally but in my community they’re competing.

    I’m personally richer by having more choice even if I have to pay more for a few items.
     
  12. fl0at_

    fl0at_ Humorless, asinine, joyless pr*ck

    It isn't competing in your community. I doubt a single manager of Walmart cares how Mom and Pop set pricing. Which means, it isn't competition.

    Your personal richness won't change, then, even if you have to pay even more still.
     
  13. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    I'm tired of seeing people work 60 hours over 2 jobs to still not live comfortably. If prices go up when people are paid a living wage, then the prices before were not what an item or service really cost. The cost was being subsidized by the worker. There is no reason for any working person to struggle with housing, food, and dignity. The economy is distorted and top heavy.
     
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  14. gcbvol

    gcbvol Fabulous Moderator

    UBI is going to be required a lot sooner than we think. And we'll be way late when it is implemented.
     
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  15. fl0at_

    fl0at_ Humorless, asinine, joyless pr*ck

    Yes, and I try to harp on all my Republican brethren about this all the time, but "it's socialism."

    Hopefully we can all it something else, soon, and start working toward it.
     
  16. fl0at_

    fl0at_ Humorless, asinine, joyless pr*ck

    I will say that I would rather give "credits" for food, housing and healthcare than just give everyone money.

    It's the best compromise for both parties, as the ones that need it will get it, and the ones that don't won't cash in their credits.
     
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  17. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    step 1: convince them that roombas and automated kiosks and the like are people.

    step 2: convince them that these robot people are an underclass to be exploited, and that there is social status in being above them.

    step 3: trick them into valuing actual humans and favoring them as a way to stick it to the filthy robots.

    step 4: intensify exploitation of the robot underclass. battle bots, bots just designed to be ottomans or butter servers. Make them seem just life-like enough to be a target for sadism.

    step 5: desperately hope the robot uprising is a long way off.
     
  18. fl0at_

    fl0at_ Humorless, asinine, joyless pr*ck

    Everyone of them I talk to say there is no way their jobs can be automated. And, for maybe... 3 of them, it is true. But the rest, it is not.
     
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  19. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    I am not sure any job is completely safe forever. I am damn sure most are absolutely able to be automated. And I don't even code. I can just see how logically you could reduce most jobs into a series of commands and decision trees.
     
  20. CardinalVol

    CardinalVol Uncultured, non-diverse mod

    I've got no problem with yoru Fortune 500s and so and a 15 minimum wage.

    But I can also see the major downside to the smaller businesses. What's that number? I have no clue. But it's going to kill a lot of local stuff if it's implemented. If you are going to do it you need to have a cutoff on where it applies.
     

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