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  1. kidbourbon

    kidbourbon Well-Known Member

    that screw was important too. Not sure if it was really "invented" but it was certainly important.
     
  2. NorrisAlan

    NorrisAlan Founder of the Mike Honcho Fan Club

    I doubt there was a single inventor, of course. More like an evolution. But it allows application of work from torque, and that is an incredible invention.
     
  3. JohnnyQuickkick

    JohnnyQuickkick Calcio correspondent

    If we don't do it, HYDRA will.
     
  4. NorrisAlan

    NorrisAlan Founder of the Mike Honcho Fan Club

    Hydra and AIM had this shizznit decades ago.
     
  5. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    agriculture was the single greatest invention, and it isn't even close.
     
  6. DC Vol

    DC Vol Contributor

    I should clarify that I wasn't crediting ENIAC with the computer as a whole. IBM was a major government contractor and used defense funding to propel the mainstream adaptation of digital and programmable computers for government applications as they had been doing so with analog computing for decades prior (that got them in hot water when they contracted with the German government in the 1930s).

    IBM's emphasis on digital and programmable computers was what I was attributing to government funding for R&D is what led to the eventual innovation that became household computers.

    And it's like giving DaVinci credit for the Wright Brothers. Sure, propeller driven flight was inevitable but what the Wright Brothers did can't be discounted because somebody thought of it. It's all part of the process, of course, and both parties deserve rightful credit.
     
  7. DC Vol

    DC Vol Contributor

    There will be fewer and fewer things that will be invented by a singular person. The jet engine, lightbulb, computer, etc each have lineages that go back to the 15-1600s.

    Inventions now are an enormous team effort that usually start with academic and peer-reviewed papers drawing out a hypothetical that will get formalized years or decades later when the technology supports the proposition that is itself an amalgamation of academic studying and daydreaming that has been cataloged.
     
  8. NorrisAlan

    NorrisAlan Founder of the Mike Honcho Fan Club

    Yes. But when I think of inventions, I almost always thing of machines and not techniques. But agriculture is the single most important advancement in human history, bar none.
     
  9. Volst53

    Volst53 Super Moderator

    The plow even through its miss use
     
  10. Volst53

    Volst53 Super Moderator

    John deeres iron plow was the game changer.
     
  11. DC Vol

    DC Vol Contributor

    Well, I find the best miss use for a plow is a roughshod right when the field is wet. Careful for the mud, though.
     
  12. kidbourbon

    kidbourbon Well-Known Member

    I don't know that I like the Wright Brothers example. They solved a problem that had been around for years that nobody could solve. There really was never anything like that in the progression of the computer.
     
  13. kidbourbon

    kidbourbon Well-Known Member

    Don't get too nostalgic. Thomas Edison invented this business model.
     
  14. kidbourbon

    kidbourbon Well-Known Member

    What is "agriculture", though? What's the scope of it, in other words, and how many individual inventions does it entail? That's almost like speaking of the importance of "music" or "transportaion" or "balls depth".
     
  15. DC Vol

    DC Vol Contributor

    I guess you could argue that agriculture as a field was an innovation not an actual invention.

    The plow was an invention within it, as you were alluding to.
     
  16. DC Vol

    DC Vol Contributor

    Maybe he modernized it... he certainly didnt invent this method. Though academic and peer-reviewed studies didn't exist, they were formalities of the traditional European process of academic documentation.

    What he was was a brilliant businessman that perfected intellectual theft and fraud as well as using politics to discredit competitors.
     
  17. DC Vol

    DC Vol Contributor

    It was proving principles that had already been posited though.

    Again, not discrediting them but all inventions in the modern era start out as ideas that are defended and then later proven.
     
  18. kidbourbon

    kidbourbon Well-Known Member

    I don't know of an innovation-as-the-product operation prior to Edison. He was essentially a professional patent troll.* And that isn't a bad thing. A lot of great research came from it.

    That's all Edison was doing. Inventing for the sake of inventing, not for the sake of putting products to market that incorporate those inventions. And I don't know of anyone who was doing it before him. That's what I meant by "the business model".

    *Whoever was in charge of the "let's make 'patent troll' a thing" campaign did a seriously good job. What's great is that every company that at one point or another badmouths patent trolls or goes to congress seeking legislative protection from their eviiiiiil is at least partially a patent troll themselves. If a company is allocating money to R&D and isn't putting all those developments to market, they're trolling with them (assuming they got patent rights on them, which they did....IBM is the best patent troll ever. Try to sue IBM for patent infringement. I dare you. I double dare you. They'll pull 20 of their patents out of a drawer that they own and that you infringe on, and then they'll tell you that's just a starting point.**)

    **Just the tip?
     
    Last edited: May 28, 2015
  19. kidbourbon

    kidbourbon Well-Known Member

    Define the modern era. And are you sure you want to use all?
     
  20. kidbourbon

    kidbourbon Well-Known Member

    Is it that easy to say that? I mean, there were many many attempted flying machines, and all were posited. If a concept had been concocted that would have definitely worked based on the engineering analysis of how it was supposed to work, then it just would have been built and flown.

    Perhaps the exception to this is the Da Vinci flying machine, but did the Wright Brothers know about that? Was that public knowledge at the time?
     

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