US and NK Summit

Discussion in 'Politicants' started by Tenacious D, Jun 11, 2018.

  1. IP

    IP Grusader Knight Errant of the 8th Order

    I had no issue with how things were progreasing prior to trump becoming beligerent with him. The way to it was through china, as they are essentially a Chinese client state.

    That's all gone now though. I don't know where this goes from here, if they don't disarm.
     
  2. VolDad

    VolDad Super Moderator

    And because they are essentially a Chinese client state how would we isolate him to the point that he would step down? (your desired strategy over diplomacy or assassination).

    I am also surprised that you were happy with how things were progressing. Murdering people (that is something you specifically pointed out), lobbing missiles towards us, enriching uranium to attach to those missiles, threatening to turn the US to ash, etc.
     
  3. Ssmiff

    Ssmiff More fragile than Mr. Glass

    i'm alarmed IP was happy with NK progression the last 20 years
     
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  4. Tenacious D

    Tenacious D The law is of supreme importance, or no importance

    Whoo, boy.
     
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  5. IP

    IP Grusader Knight Errant of the 8th Order

    By pressuring them through china, which was working to a point.

    There is no immediate magic solution, full scale war would kill millions on the peninsula, as they have artillary to crater Seoul at the drop of a hat. Not even considering nukes.
     
  6. Tenacious D

    Tenacious D The law is of supreme importance, or no importance

    No. They didn’t.

    Even if you look past the illegality of Obama signing a treaty which did not pass the US Senate (as that pesky Constitution requires), it still wasn’t working. In fact, between our stupidly giving them $150B and unfreezing their assets, we’ve probably done more to advance their efforts than had we simply done nothing at all.

    That some liberals dual-pronged policy of “drown it in cash” + “wishful thinking” resulted in only making matters infinitely worse and terribly tragic is about the saddest of tired tropes, at this point. If only it just wasn’t so easily observable and almost always true.

    Here:
    Germany, Rubio, Cruz, Cotton...all crazy:
    But we can inspect their sites! So many inspections! All of the inspections:
    But, it’d be impossible to know how trustworthy Iran was being in adhering to the deal.

    It’s not like they just parade their violations down the street in broad daylight.
    Link: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.wa...15/trump-should-end-obamas-iran-nuclear-deal/
     
  7. gcbvol

    gcbvol Fabulous Moderator

    Fair take, especially with this party and the ultimate goal. Still cringeworthy.
     
  8. IP

    IP Grusader Knight Errant of the 8th Order

    I stopped reading when you falsely referred to the Iran agreement as a treaty in order to say it was unconstitutional. I don't have time to go point by point now, and it looks like there could be a lot of points with that kind of start.
     
  9. IP

    IP Grusader Knight Errant of the 8th Order

    I'd say I was satisfied the last 5 or so.
     
  10. Ssmiff

    Ssmiff More fragile than Mr. Glass

    I don't know. Last week 55 billion dollars is committed to help Veterans get better and faster care with less red tape and more common sense, and yesterday we meet with a leader who says we will see a different NK. Same punk was threatening to nuke Guam a couple months ago. Seems like a decent week to me.
     
  11. IP

    IP Grusader Knight Errant of the 8th Order

    Do you remember why he threatened to nuke Guam?
     
  12. Ssmiff

    Ssmiff More fragile than Mr. Glass

    because he's an insane murderer and suicidal dumbass
     
  13. Tenacious D

    Tenacious D The law is of supreme importance, or no importance

    You’re tired and slipping.

    trea·ty
    ˈtrēdē/
    noun
    1. a formally concluded and ratified agreement between countries.
     
  14. IP

    IP Grusader Knight Errant of the 8th Order

    Because of words exchanged over military exercises.

    Trump just cancelled them.
     
  15. IP

    IP Grusader Knight Errant of the 8th Order

    If it were a treaty, the senate would have to pass it with a super majority. They didn't, they oversaw it through he iran nuclear agreement act which they passed. If it were a treaty, Trump couldn't have unilaterally ended it.
     
  16. VolDad

    VolDad Super Moderator

    The last 5 years brought us enriched uranium, missiles that could reach us, threats of our destruction. I was less optimistic about the direction we were heading.
     
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  17. Tenacious D

    Tenacious D The law is of supreme importance, or no importance

    It wasn’t called a treaty in the same way that Obamacare wasn’t a tax.

    Because he couldn’t have gotten it approved, otherwise, and so he acted unilaterally without Congressional approval.

    Had be submitted and passed it as a treaty, as it was, Trump couldn’t have simply ended it without the same Congressional permission.

    If A = B, then B = ?
     
  18. Tenacious D

    Tenacious D The law is of supreme importance, or no importance

    But besides that?
     
  19. IP

    IP Grusader Knight Errant of the 8th Order

    If it were a treaty, he couldn't have ended it. It's pretty simple. So you're unconstitutional remark would apply equally to Trump.
     
  20. 2Maggitt2Quit

    2Maggitt2Quit Contributor

    Hard for me to stomach the photo op with our flags side by side if all we got was a promise to work towards denuclearization.
     

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