Willie Martinez

Discussion in 'Vols Football' started by CardinalVol, Nov 19, 2022.

  1. The Dooz

    The Dooz Super Moderator

    Sal Sunseri gave up 700 yards to Troy.
     
  2. zehr27

    zehr27 8th's VIP

    Exactly. Poor [uck fay]er had the guts to take a 7 figure job. I feel bad for him that there is expectation while earning 1.5 million.
     
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  3. KyleAlexanderfan

    KyleAlexanderfan Well-Known Member

    Are we sure that Troy offense wasn't better than this USCjr offense?
     
  4. utvol0427

    utvol0427 Chieftain

    That’s the only game that came to my mind as remotely close to this defensive performance.
     
  5. VOLinDAWGland

    VOLinDAWGland Contributor

    At least she didn't go on a live show like Malzahn's wife. If that's really Bank's wife.
     
  6. TDVol1989

    TDVol1989 Always Be Menstruating

    Ok I will say it. The defense is a weakness. But it was before the year began. The comeback on offense was quicker but a bit fortuitous from a talent standpoint. I am not in the fire Banks corner. But we need an aggressive campaign to flip the defense. Transfers and signees with an emphasis on transfers.

    If you want to question Martinez, ok. But throwing Coach Banks under the bus is premature.

    We got our ass kicked. Suck it up. Not always a simple explanation.
     
  7. Ssmiff

    Ssmiff Went to the White House...Again

    Sal would go man, show blitz early and allow the offense to slide a slot over onto 4.7 40 Teague with no help. Banks does the same stupid stuff, but drops DL into coverage more. I’d love to know what % we give up when he does it. Got to be 90% conversion rate.
     
  8. Duckman

    Duckman Chieftain

    Saturday was bad. The worst game I've ever seen Tennessee play defensively in my lifetime.

    That said, Sal Sunseri was worse. At least with Banks there have been a few instances where the D showed up for the most part to play (LSU, Kentucky, etc.).

    With Sunseri his defense peaked in September and after the Georgia game it all just felt like a big black pit of no hope. Literally the only team that didn't score 40 or 50 points against us after the Akron game in late September until Dooley got canned post-Vandy beatdown was South Carolina..... and even they came close at 38.

    Between his defense and Dooley's game management we never stood a chance that season. If Bray and Patterson hadn't been there Dooley might have been fired in October.

    This defense has been bad, but still not 2012 bad. It will always take a lot to "top" that unit in my mind.
     
  9. InVolNerable

    InVolNerable Fark Master Flex

    2012 gave up 35.7 points/gm. Banks and co. Are giving up 25.6.
     
  10. Volokie

    Volokie Active Member

    WM may be a bad DB coach that doesn’t know what he’s doing, or isn’t motivated. But part of Banks job is to see that he is, and does. Both need to pick it up or pack it up.
     
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  11. DC Vol

    DC Vol Contributor

    Banks has at least turned a bad defense into one that -generally- doesn't give up many points and doesn't give up much on the ground. That's been the staple every year. We knew this team was going to have several issues, especially based on how emphasized recruiting in these areas were:

    * DBs on hand to develop. Almost all of our CBs are transfers.
    * DEs on hand. Byron Young is good, but he's been developed. Baron is disappointing. Other than that, we don't have depth at EDGE to generate pressure which is vital.
    * LBs were I think our only good group in the 2-deep but they're all like 5th and 6th year seniors. Drop off could be bad there.

    Against Florida I think we underestimated AR. Up until we went into prevent and our offense got too conservative, we gave up 400 yards and 21 points. UGA's vaunted D gave up 371 and 20 points to them.

    Against Mizzou we definitely thought we could rush 4 and get to their QB and force errors. It initally worked but they put together a couple of drives in the 1H. We adjusted and shut them down in the 2H. We gave up 389 and 24 points to them. UGA gave up 294 and 22 to them.

    Against Kentucky we shut them down. DOA. We gave up 205 and 6. UGA gave up 295 and 6.

    South Carolina was -bad-. It's the only comparable game where we really really did poorly against the bar which is UGA. I don't think there's enough there to throw in the towel against Banks, especially given what he was left to work with and how important he's been as a recruiter. It will take time to build a defense that has the rotational depth to compete for a full game and we're close, IMO.

    I just can't get around the USC game and the refusal to adapt and pressure Rattler. It's unconscionable.
     
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  12. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    If they know what went wrong, I am less worried than if they have no idea what went wrong or think nothing went wrong. But I have no idea what they know or exactly what actually went wrong.
     
  13. DC Vol

    DC Vol Contributor

    I do wonder why Banks, who has been a DB coach his whole life, isn't coaching DBs. Why even need Martinez? A lot of DCs are able to handle DC duties and a position group. It's weird that our DC's specialty is our weakest group.
     
  14. Ssmiff

    Ssmiff Went to the White House...Again

    He’s too busy drawing up SS tricky zone blitzes that haven’t worked once or leaving 2nd string backup cbs in press man with no help, or just giving the sticks on 3rd down and hoping the qb makes a bad throw.
    Plus he’d need a megaphone to coach the safeties up in practice when it’s 3rd and 12 and we drop them 40 yards off the Los.
     
  15. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    Has the DB's swimming laps across the river in practice, south at the snap, turn back north after the touchdown.
     
  16. warhammer

    warhammer Chieftain

    One of my complaints that I would like to see improved upon is when some of the blitzes look delayed. That has not worked. If these are delayed blitzes, they are generally ineffective. If they are not, these guys need coached on execution, or we just simply need guys.
     
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  17. SGMVols

    SGMVols Contributor

    I don’t think it can get worse than Sal without involving some degree of intentional sabotage.
     
  18. JohnnyQuickkick

    JohnnyQuickkick Calcio correspondent

    I’ve seen delayed blitzes work, but it seems like ours were just taking guys out of the play.
     
  19. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    If the RB is blocking, the covering linebacker blitzes, from what I can tell. That's at least some of the "delayed blitz" looks.
     
  20. PilotFlyingJ

    PilotFlyingJ Chieftain

    Saturday was worse but that's just my opinion.
     

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