Charleston AME Church Shooting

Discussion in 'The Thunderdome' started by CardinalVol, Jun 18, 2015.

  1. y2korth

    y2korth Contributor

    convicted felons lose rights by the bushel.

    right to bear arms
    right to vote
    right to interstate travel

    to name three
     
  2. fl0at_

    fl0at_ Humorless, asinine, joyless pr*ck

    Of which, none to my knowledge is explicitly guaranteed as absolute, with the exception of the 2nd Amendment. The 2nd Amendment states that the right to bear arms shall not be infringed. It doesn't say "unless."

    Reasonable restriction has entered into the amendment, through judicial review. The intention may or may not have been to restrict access. It doesn't seem likely that in the beginnings, that felons weren't allowed possession of firearms, as there was little to no way of enforcing such a limitation.

    But, if one holds that a court ruling is as good as the letters on the Constitution, then, it cannot be argued that the 2nd Amendment isn't subject to reasonable restriction.

    So the question becomes: Does everyone have equal 2A rights? And if the answer is that reasonable restriction is allowed--what's reasonable? Ban on high capacity magazines, certain weapons, ammo, felons in possession, etc.
     
  3. y2korth

    y2korth Contributor

    But, if one holds that a court ruling is as good as the letters on the Constitution, then, it cannot be argued that the 2nd Amendment isn't subject to reasonable restriction.


    see marbury v. madison

    So the question becomes: Does everyone have equal 2A rights? And if the answer is that reasonable restriction is allowed--what's reasonable? Ban on high capacity magazines, certain weapons, ammo, felons in possession, etc.[/QUOTE]

    everyone starts with equal protection under the law. reasonableness is situational.
     
  4. fl0at_

    fl0at_ Humorless, asinine, joyless pr*ck

    There are those that do not hold that judicial review is valid and/or truly Constitutional. Marbury v. Madison may have established it as such, but clearly it is not, given that courts, over time, change their opinion on what is and what is not Constitutional. As such, there are proponents of a strict interpretation, that isn't subject to which judges are sitting on the bench. And if a strict interpretation was the metric, then everyone would be able to keep and bear arms--felon or otherwise.

    Reasonableness is arbitrary.
     
  5. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    y2k, I feel this is a complex issue that often quickly devolves into two opposing straw men. I think we are objectively violating the 2nd amendment right now, but it is just in a way that most everyone agrees with. The issue is, that undermines the argument of the 2nd amendment preventing other forms of regulation/restriction.
     
  6. VolDad

    VolDad Super Moderator

    Gay marriage and marijuana laws are proof that opinions change. On this issue they have not changed enough to support the restrictions you seek. Who knows what the future holds.
     
  7. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    What restrictions do I seek? I'm calling out the unconstitutional restriction of arms for felons. In this conversation, you are the one seeking to continue an unconstitutional restriction.
     
  8. VolDad

    VolDad Super Moderator

    The Supreme Court disagrees with you.
     
  9. Volst53

    Volst53 Super Moderator

    I agree. If they're too dangerous to be full citizens, keep their ass in prison. It's really ashame when their rights are taken for nonviolent convections.
     
  10. CardinalVol

    CardinalVol Uncultured, non-diverse mod

    Or, just don't commit a felony.
     
  11. Beechervol

    Beechervol Super Moderator

    No fun.
     
  12. droski

    droski Traffic Criminal

    Judgemental bastard
     
  13. Beechervol

    Beechervol Super Moderator

    Funny
     
  14. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    The constitution disagrees with them. "Shall not be infringed" isn't really open to multiple interpretations.
     

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