POLITICS Iran

Discussion in 'Politicants' started by kptvol, Jan 7, 2020.

  1. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    And I think it is the lies. Shooting down an airliner by accident- tragic. Lying about it for days and attempting to cover it up before finally fessing up? A betrayal. I wish we would view lies from the top the same way.
     
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  2. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    No, Iranians have more moral character than that. We could learn something.
     
  3. CardinalVol

    CardinalVol Uncultured, non-diverse mod

    I don't disagree but as bad it may be here, it's still 1000 times worse there.
     
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  4. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    At least 1,000 times worse. We probably don't even begin to know how bad. Heck, they probably don't themselves, the poor bastards. The aftermath of the Revolution alone was Stalinesque.
     
  5. Tenacious D

    Tenacious D The law is of supreme importance, or no importance

    The Iran Nuclear Deal specifically listed Soleimani as being a “protected interest”, meaning, the US couldn’t kill him, so long as it remained in place.

    It should be more obvious as to why it was such a disastrous piece of appeasement, and Trump was right to end it.

     
  6. Ssmiff

    Ssmiff Went to the White House...Again

    i'm not sure what to think about that, except to hope its fake news.
     
  7. warhammer

    warhammer Chieftain

    Gospel to some, heretical to others.
     
  8. DC Vol

    DC Vol Contributor

    europarl.europa.eu is the official website for the EU parliament, so that link is basically like reading something hosted by state.gov

    For whatever reason, the guy in the tweet highlighted "Soleymani, Ghasem" (page 86) and not "Soleimani, Qasem" (page 95).
     
  9. Tenacious D

    Tenacious D The law is of supreme importance, or no importance

    Wait, are you saying that the Iranian people have a higher moral character than Americans?

    I want to be certain to clearly understand what you’re saying, here.
     
  10. Tenacious D

    Tenacious D The law is of supreme importance, or no importance

    That it’s legit is the first bit.

    That it’s utterly indefensible, even by our own battle-hardened libs, is just as telling.

    The praise that Obama got for this appeasement is utterly mind-boggling.

    I cannot wait until we have our second black President, so that it’ll be ok to call Obama the worst President in history without it being immediately branded as racist.
     
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  11. DC Vol

    DC Vol Contributor

    I took it as him saying they do, but it's IP so it could just be fishing.
     
  12. DC Vol

    DC Vol Contributor

    See, this is where the classic 'how-to-wage-information-warfare" handbook comes out:

    I can guarantee that would come up.
     
  13. Unimane

    Unimane Kill "The Caucasian"

    No, you'd just be dismissed as an idiot.
     
  14. CardinalVol

    CardinalVol Uncultured, non-diverse mod

    You know, it's borderline funny how obvious the bots are on Twitter now, and how people argue with them.
     
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  15. Ssmiff

    Ssmiff Went to the White House...Again

    Uni what are your thoughts on Obama making a deal with our enemy while protecting a terrorist in the print?
     
  16. fl0at_

    fl0at_ Humorless, asinine, joyless pr*ck

    It is simpler than that, Iran saw him as a representative of the state, which is why he is listed as part of "Iran," regardless of whether he was inside or outside of Iran.

    These are not uncommon.
     
  17. fl0at_

    fl0at_ Humorless, asinine, joyless pr*ck

    Calling someone a terrorist does not make them a terrorist

    Under international law, he was a state actor.
     
  18. DC Vol

    DC Vol Contributor

    This could snowball a bit, but the US State Department listed Iran as a "State Sponsor of Terror" in 1984 and never took it off of said list.

    The State Dept, DoD and all other government entities would have known about the listing as well as the countless times Quds Force, Hezbollah, etc under direct guidance of Soleimani have been linked to attacks on us military personnel and assets overseas.

    With that said, I do think the attack itself sets a pretty dangerous precedent. The US should have been smarter and have done what Russia/Iran/China have been doing to us and what we've done in the past that's to mastermind a proxy group to do our dirty deeds for us. A Sunni militia attacking Soleimani and killing him wouldn't have had the same repercussions but with the same outcome.

    I am curious about how audacious this is and what the intended end-game is? This would be the "big stick" diplomacy of Teddy's era. Or, perhaps I'm overthinking it and this is another "why can't we nuke a hurricane" move. FIIK.
     
  19. Ssmiff

    Ssmiff Went to the White House...Again

    Ok gotcha, dude wasn't a terrorist.
    Goodness [uck fay]ing gracious
     
  20. DC Vol

    DC Vol Contributor

    Well, float isn't arguing on the side of his opinions (maybe he is, maybe he isn't) but instead how the International Laws view "terrorism". There is a reason I brought up Operation Paperclip. People acting as a member of a state are afforded significantly more breathing room and protections in international legislation than their rogue counterparts are.
     

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