Santorum: If abortion becomes illegal, doctors should face criminal charges

Best wishes, future fathers. Sorry to hear about your troubles droski and NYY.

 

Thanks. Sucked greatly at the time. But we're better because of it now.

 

Sorry to hear NYY.

 

Starting to get the when are we going to shoot for the next one comments. It's just going by too fast, it seems like we were sitting in first parent classes yesterday.

 

I have three and wife lost one between my oldest and middle child. She was upset for days, but all I could do to comfort her was tell her that things happen for a reason that sometimes we dont understand.

Good luck to all the expectant mothers and fathers.

 

haha, man that sounds exactly like me... everyone says the same to me about father/daughter. Dating stuff is not something I'm excited about, but I guess it's just part of it. I was considered a good guy and was still a giant perv.

 

I still have those perverted thoughts.

 

That's what future sleep overs are all about. Invite us and we'll only think perverted about the ones that aren't your daughters...

 

Have a little girl myself. My uncle gave me a good one liner for when that first boyfriend comes home: "Boy, I've been to prison once, and I ain't afraid to go back".

 

My dad told my little sister's first boyfriend that his mother would cry herself to sleep for the rest of her life after what he would do to him if he tried anything with my sister.

I wanted to laugh, but I sincerely believed him. I know that little punk had to as well.

 

My thread has been ruined. RUINED.

 

By a bunch of fertile bastages.

 

Sorry- turned into a dad therapy session.

 

I guess I never understood what the scientific conundrum is here. Immediately after conception you've got a cell with a distinct genetic code and the process is underway. If all goes well there absolutely will be a fully developed human. You can't say the same about a germ cell, which is why IMO contraception isn't morally wrong. A fetus also can't be a part of the woman's body because it has a completely distinct genetic code. And as for the "living tissue but not a life" comment, how does that make sense? I guess if you applied it to tissue grown in a lab or something, maybe, and as for a fetus' ability to choose, it isn't any less capable of choosing than a 3-month-old. I just don't see how there is any argument for a fetus being anything but a human life, and that's one of the things a limited-government person does want government to do, protect human life.\

But back the OP, yeah, I think ex-post-facto law enforcement is a terrible idea. God only knows where it would end.

 

It depends on what you define a human as. To me, a human isn't a "distinct genetic code." Also, if a fertilized embryo is a human, then what does that mean concerning embyros that don't attach the uterine wall? Are there actually hundreds of millions of deaths a year we don't currently count? I don't think so. All because something something is "in motion" doesn't mean it is a done deal.

 

I don't think the possibility of a pregnancy terminating justifies intentionally ending it.

 

Ectopic pregnancy shouldn't result in full development. At the point at which the fetus is fully developed, I support being recognized as "human." It is not a person, however.

Philosophically ambiguous as abortion is, there are several terms which must be considered, none of which are concrete in all settings.

At conception, there is not human life. A dividing embryo is not human, even though it may eventually become such, as IPO has already stated.

A fetus is not a person, even though it may become one, again, along the same lines of cell progression as IPO as noted. At the same time, I have difficulty considering a two month old baby, someone with severe mental dysfunction and an individual in a coma state that is unlikely to recover, a "person." But, I don't support the ability to kill a two month old baby, severely mentally challenged, or those in coma at the whims of individuals.

A baby may become a person, when it is capable of making its own choices. Those in a coma may have been a person, and may become a person yet again, should they orientate back to reality. It is unlikely that the severely mentally challenged will ever reverse course. But at the point that they are, frozen in time, they are not a "person," and it is still unacceptable to dispatch them, even if it requires a "vessel" to keep them alive: feeding, caring by the mother; feeding, caring by medical staff.

So, in my mind, it doesn't come down to whether something is human (many against abortion have no problem with the death penalty, in general, because that individual has given up their rights, forcefully or willing) or whether someone is indeed a person (death penalty, war, etc).

What it comes down to is this: Do you support abortion? Anything else is just a rationalization.

For me, I support abortion.

I can rationalize as such: It is self-defense. I support the ability to kill in self-defense. Whether it is called a person, fetus, human, Bigfoot or Bambi makes no difference.

 

You spoke eloquently and at length about a variety of topics, but not this last bit. Kind of vague. At what point do you consider it defense?

 

I am really sorry to hear this, man

 

I don't think the existence of a pregnancy justifies it being immoral to terminate it.