The Welfare Cycle

Discussion in 'The Thunderdome' started by VolDad, May 14, 2014.

  1. VolDad

    VolDad Super Moderator

    Just saw a Detroit Public School teacher on TV answer the question, “Why did you decide to teach”? with:

    “Well, I decided to teach because I was working as a job coach to help women come from welfare into the work force but the women were turning down premium job leads so I said that I had to find out what happened; they were comfortable with being on welfare, their Moms were on welfare, their grandmothers were on welfare, it was a cycle that had to be broken so I said that I had to get into the teaching system and teach girls when they are young so that I can help break that cycle.”

    Impossible; Welfare can't be comfortable can it?
     
  2. Volst53

    Volst53 Super Moderator

    “I am for doing good to the poor, but...I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. I observed...that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer.”


    Benjamin Franklin
     
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  3. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    Considering the number of people on welfare has been shrinking over the last 20 years, I am not sure how serious of a concern this is. Unless one counts retirees and veteran pensions as "welfare."
     
  4. droski

    droski Traffic Criminal

    Food stamps have doubled
     
  5. Volst53

    Volst53 Super Moderator

    The labor participation rate is at 1970's levels and what's being done with disability should be criminal.
     
  6. bigpapavol

    bigpapavol Chieftain

    I assume this isn't serious. Welfare might be something specific to you, bit only semantics has reduced anything.
     
  7. Volst53

    Volst53 Super Moderator

    Hell we piss away 100 billion in improper welfare payments each year
     
  8. kmf600

    kmf600 Energy vampire

    I'd really like to read where you got that from. I'm not calling b/s, but I'm saying it doesn't feel like it. When I watch about 5 out of 10 people pay for food with a USA flag card or the checks or whatever they use, maybe vouchers?
     
  9. droski

    droski Traffic Criminal

  10. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    Guilty as charged. Welfare is something specific. Not just to me, but anyone who likes words to have meaning.
     
  11. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    How come they count households with anyone receiving gov benefits (like say grandma, or a wounded veteran, etc) as everyone in the household, but only workers and not everyone in the full time worker's house? Sorry, those numbers are meaningless. Look up the raw numbers and you'll see what I mean. The Census gave those numbers as households which were then extrapolated into "people in those households." Yet Fox "News" didn't give the same treatment to the number of full time workers.
     
  12. Volst53

    Volst53 Super Moderator

    http://www.budget.senate.gov/republ...?File_id=34919307-6286-47ab-b114-2fd5bcedfeb5


     
  13. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2012/02/how-much-do-we-spend-nonworking-poor

     
  14. Volst53

    Volst53 Super Moderator

    We spend more than that on welfare.
     
  15. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    Define welfare.
     
  16. Volst53

    Volst53 Super Moderator

    A program that gives money or a service to an individual group.
     
  17. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    So yes, if you count social security or veteran benefits, we spend more.
     
  18. Volst53

    Volst53 Super Moderator

    The numbers I provide don't include social security, but that is a pay role tax on the front end and welfare at the back end.
     
  19. Volst53

    Volst53 Super Moderator

    Plus mother jones would be one of the last place I'd look for accurate numbers
     
  20. dknash

    dknash Chieftain

    SMH American Chopper running out of ideas.
     

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