POLITICS Theresa May out as PM.

Discussion in 'Politicants' started by Savage Orange, May 24, 2019.

  1. Tenacious D

    Tenacious D Power is power.

    I understand it to be impossible to have a thriving economy outside of the EU’s single market system.

    I’ve been repeatedly assured of this.

    In this thread.

    On this page.

    So, checkmate, I guess.
     
  2. Tenacious D

    Tenacious D Power is power.

    No to what?
     
  3. IP

    IP Administrator

    is Switzerland more or less socialist than the US? The UK?
     
  4. IP

    IP Administrator

    keeping the same trade arrangements as before.
     
  5. Tenacious D

    Tenacious D Power is power.

    Depends on the ratio to freedom units you want to use. So, you tell me.
     
  6. Tenacious D

    Tenacious D Power is power.

    So, what has the EU proposed, instead? You may know more and followed it more closely than I do and have.
     
  7. droski

    droski Traffic Criminal

    good luck with that long term
     
  8. IP

    IP Administrator

    negotiations stalled out and a hard brexit is what looms, with no deals in place. it's been a game of chicken and the EU hasn't flinched.
     
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  9. IP

    IP Administrator

    I have my opinion, but you said the UK was propping up more socialist countries and I am still trying to find out who those are. I am certain that a country experimenting with minimum guaranteed income and with a total safety net isnt LESS than the UK, but it was the example put out as to the UK's economic future?
     
  10. TennTradition

    TennTradition Super Moderator

    They have grown their economy through exporting into the EU. Germany beats the rest of Europe on low cost manufacturing and labor efficiency - but they need the market. The Euro trades at a much lower value than what the Mark would trade at due to the entire EU effect. If left independent the export arb would close ito much of the EU due to currency headwinds. As it is now they have friendly trade, favorable labor efficiency, favorable currency, etc. They don’t want to lose that. Largely Asia would be the winner in that scenario.
     
  11. TennTradition

    TennTradition Super Moderator

    I have no doubt we will be closing plants if they leave. It’s anecdotal for sure. Perhaps the view looks better to other players.
     
  12. Tenacious D

    Tenacious D Power is power.

    Wouldn’t it be much better for the EU to have a deal in place with the UK after Brexit, than not?

    If so, what purpose does it serve for them to prefer to having no deal, to some deal? What am I missing, here?
     
  13. IP

    IP Administrator

    yes. but EU doesn't agree that the UK should have its cake and eat it too. and the UK needs the European economy more than they need the UK, apparently.
     
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  14. Tenacious D

    Tenacious D Power is power.

    Look, Carmen San Diego, there are two countries in this world:

    1. The United States of America, and
    2. Not The United States of America.

    I don’t concern myself with whatever lesser and dumber system of rule that other countries employ, any more than the ocean concerns itself with a teapot.
     
  15. Tenacious D

    Tenacious D Power is power.

    What does this mean? That your company will decide that there won’t be suitable economic benefit in remaining in the UK, if it’s no longer a member of the EU?

    And in what country is your company headquartered?
     
  16. Tenacious D

    Tenacious D Power is power.

    So...the EU is willingly choosing to cause themselves additional and substantial economic harm, simply to hurt the UK’s economy? What’s the payoff for the EU, in that scenario?

    And what does “have your cake and eat it, too”, mean, exactly? I assume that one piece of that “cake” is access to the single market, and which both would be much better off in allowing the UK to access....but what’s the other piece of cake, that the UK wants and the EU wishes to deny them?
     
  17. TennTradition

    TennTradition Super Moderator

    Those operations are part of the European HQ in Switzerland.

    I should also say plant singular. Some of the other sites could be up for consideration but I’m pretty convinced one will be done. Based on the raw material it needs if we can’t send it within the EU zone (or negotiate similar trade benefits) then it will disadvantage the site relative to our alternatives.
     
  18. Tenacious D

    Tenacious D Power is power.

    So, your company is HQ’d in Europe? Or just that line of business?
     
  19. droski

    droski Traffic Criminal

    trade balance is 7.5% of gdp https://www.theglobaleconomy.com/Germany/Trade_balance/

    and there are benefits to a stronger mark that would outweigh that as well.
     
  20. Tenacious D

    Tenacious D Power is power.

    I keep waiting on someone to tell me why the EU is only further hurting its economy by denying the UK’s access to the single market.

    I feel like I don’t understand what the end game is, tbh.
     

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